Cellulite Fat - Forever or can it be dieted/exercised off?

[djpar]

Do you have any hypotheses as to why so few people are able to just eat right and exercise?

I imagine it is the result of many factors and each person is different. Time is probably a factor for many. Some are just lazy or don't care. Some want a quick fix and waste their time with the latest fad in dieting or the latest pill, and excuse themselves from the hard work and discipline. Food manufacturers obviously try and exploit our evolved desire for sweets and fats.

The evidence suggests it isn't that simple.

It isn't easy. Things that are good usually aren't gotten for free.

Can you hold your breath?
Can you hold your breath indefinitely?

Suppose eating fewer calories than you expend is like holding your breath. People can do it for short periods of time but eventually the biological drive to breathe or to maintain one's excess weight becomes too difficult to overcome?

I have trouble with this analogy. Holding your breath indefinitely is not possible, while eaten right and exercising certainly is possible.

The small % of people who are successful at maintaining weight loss suggests very strongly that biological drives and not simple willpower are at the root of the problem.

I agree that biological drives are difficult to deal with, but we do it all the time when we refrain from all sorts of biological impulses. That's what willpower provides for, right?

Why should health be any different?

 

[Fat Bottom Gurl]

That won't help. Demons don't weigh anything.

That was hilarious Joe! Demons might not weigh in the pound sense, but they are often "heavy on our minds".

 

[Steve001]

The dreaded cellulite fat (cottage cheese) that appears upon the hips, thighs, tummy...well, just about everywhere.

I've looked (googled) around about this fat - what is it, how to get rid of it - so many conflicting opinions/suggestions. Rub it off, diet it off, exercise it off, apply creams, drink water, eat only organic, blah, blah, blah.

Is there any way to get rid of this type of fat? I'd sure welcome suggestions.

I've looked (googled) around about this fat - what is it

It's called adipose tissue aka fat. The dimpling is cause by the way connective tissue known a collagen connects the layers sort of like a taut string pulling tissue together in women usually; men can also have it also, but to a lesser degree.
The only practical long lasting [not including liposuction] way to get rid of adipose tissue is consume enough calories to maintain a lower healthy weight or burn more calories than you consume.

 

[Fat Bottom Gurl]

It's called adipose tissue aka fat. The dimpling is cause by the way connective tissue known a collagen connects the layers sort of like a taut string pulling tissue together in women usually; men can also have it also, but to a lesser degree.
The only practical long lasting [not including liposuction] way to get rid of adipose tissue is consume enough calories to maintain a lower healthy weight or burn more calories than you consume.

I'm having a hard time believing the above, because the googling I did says that cellulite is also on thin women (and some men). It's a different kind of fat and being thin does not mean that one doesn't have cellulite. I've seen pictures of obese women that do not have cellulite fat - they are fat, but their skin is not dimpled. I am not concerned about what I weigh. It would appear that being thin is not the solution to ridding oneself of cellulite. Very frustrating.

 

[djpar]

It's a matter of energy. If you want to lose weight, make sure you use more calories than you intake.

I've heard the 5 meals a day nonsense, and it's just that, nonsense. Physically, I doubt it matters how often you eat. Psychologically, it might be good to do just because you're actually thinking about what you're eating more often.

I don't think it is nonsense. The body can only absorb so much and the rest goes to waste when you over eat.

The reason you eat smaller meals more often is so the body can take in the most amount of nutrients possible that can be used.

This fuels the growth of lean muscle mass when you are active. Of course, if you are sitting on your **s all day, the concept is not as effective.

 

[ponderingturtle]

True--and all the vomiting of pea soup has to result in some weight loss. Floating off the bed is evidence of that!


Not automatically. Burning calories is only part of the equation. If you take in proportionately more calories, you will not lose weight.

You might get a lot stronger, and you might lose a lot of fat, but if you take in more calories than your burn, you will put weight on.

The issue is that when you are burning 15000 calories a day it is hard to eat enough.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I don't think it is nonsense. The body can only absorb so much and the rest goes to waste when you over eat.

The reason you eat smaller meals more often is so the body can take in the most amount of nutrients possible that can be used.

This fuels the growth of lean muscle mass when you are active. Of course, if you are sitting on your **s all day, the concept is not as effective.

Caloric intake vs. caloric output is all that matters.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I don't think this really is a matter of just a few factors.

If YOU want to lose weight, it's up to you to do it. And to do that is to take in less calories than you burn.

And your evidence for this conclusion is?

Not the part about less calories than you expend, but the part about that all there is to it as if being overweight is just a personal failing.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

If its evidence you want I suggest you do your own search for it. Then you can see what is out there, rather than just one person's point of view. But here is a start.

I have and your conclusions are wrong. See the link I posted to the data base on successful weight loss anecdotes. This is one of the few web sites that actually collects data on documented successful weight loss.

One diet suggest you eat 6 meals a day. Link http://www.thatsfit.com/2009/11/24/abs-diet-for-women/

This is just a site declaring a diet. No evidence, no studies, no reviews, nada but a claim.

Diet_soda^WP

What conclusion is this supposed to support?

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

I imagine it is the result of many factors and each person is different. Time is probably a factor for many. Some are just lazy or don't care. Some want a quick fix and waste their time with the latest fad in dieting or the latest pill, and excuse themselves from the hard work and discipline. Food manufacturers obviously try and exploit our evolved desire for sweets and fats.

This is bull crap. All you've said is you believe this nonsense. No evidence, no data, nothing but what seems logical to you.

I suggest you consider the enormous data base on this subject before you decide you actually know the facts on this subject.

It isn't easy. Things that are good usually aren't gotten for free.

This hypothesis does not explain the fact 95% of people who attempt weight loss fail. According to your hypothesis, people who desire to loss weight are just weak minded individuals. You dismiss the possibility the biological drive to lose excess weight is extremely difficult to overcome in the vast majority of overweight individuals.

I dare you to hold your breath for 10 minutes.

I have trouble with this analogy. Holding your breath indefinitely is not possible, while eaten right and exercising certainly is possible.

How do you know this? Because a small % of the population has succeeded? Why is that % so small?

I agree that biological drives are difficult to deal with, but we do it all the time when we refrain from all sorts of biological impulses. That's what willpower provides for, right?

Why should health be any different?

Because that is the conclusion the evidence supports.

I don't have an issue with your hypothesis. I have an issue with the evidence that fails to support your hypothesis.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Caloric intake vs. caloric output is all that matters.

While that is the bottom line, it is hardly all that matters.

 

[Uncayimmy]

And your evidence for this conclusion is?

Not the part about less calories than you expend, but the part about that all there is to it as if being overweight is just a personal failing.

Who said it was a failing? I think your prejudices are showing.

The laws of physics provide the framework for the mass we accumulate. An infant doesn't become an adult if it doesn't eat because it will die. Beyond that genetics will play a huge role in the size and shape we end up. However, our energy intake will also be a major factor.

To the best of my knowledge experiments where the subjects are not given control over how much energy they consume have shown predictable effects of weight gain and weight loss. While there appear to be some variations in metabolism and genetic factors for fat retention and distribution, it has not been established that humans are able to convert air and light into energy. Therefore, whatever mass the body accumulates is directly related energy consumption and energy use.

The natural extension is that humans have a choice about how much they do not eat. I say "not" because for many people there's a limit to how much food they have access to. For those of us in affluent countries like the USA, cheap calories abound, and most people have realistic access to more food than they could possibly need in a day. Likewise, in developed countries, humans use other forms of energy (coal, oil, natural gas) to do things that our ancestors needed food to accomplish. This lack of energy consumption is also a choice.

So, based on this, I argue that body composition is largely a matter of personal choices. Why people seem to have difficulty making the choices that would result in the body composition they prefer is an entirely different matter and one worthy of discussion. You can call it a "failing" if you want to. To me, it just is what it is.

 

[Uncayimmy]

How do you know this? Because a small % of the population has succeeded? Why is that % so small?

What do you mean that a small proportion of the population has succeeded? Succeeded in what? Getting fat and then becoming fit again? Please be more specific.

 

[Roboramma]

Holding your breath indefinitely is not possible, while eaten right and exercising certainly is possible.

How do you know this? Because a small % of the population has succeeded? Why is that % so small?

How does he know that eating right and exercising is possible? Are you seriously asking that?

Having examples of things tends to make me believe that they are possible. What makes you think that they are impossible?

 

[djpar]

Caloric intake vs. caloric output is all that matters.

It's not all that matters, imo but I addressed this.

 

[djpar]

This is bull crap. All you've said is you believe this nonsense. No evidence, no data, nothing but what seems logical to you.

I suggest you consider the enormous data base on this subject before you decide you actually know the facts on this subject.

LOL.. take it easy skipper... I know this is a skeptics web site, but damn. You asked for my hypotheses and I gave it. I prefaced it with "I imagine". I also said initially that genetics and age are a factor, so I did not outright dismiss a biological factor.

This hypothesis does not explain the fact 95% of people who attempt weight loss fail. According to your hypothesis, people who desire to loss weight are just weak minded individuals. You dismiss the possibility the biological drive to lose excess weight is extremely difficult to overcome in the vast majority of overweight individuals.

You are twisting what I said to have an argument.

I dare you to hold your breath for 10 minutes.

Relevance?

How do you know this? Because a small % of the population has succeeded? Why is that % so small?



Because that is the conclusion the evidence supports.

I don't have an issue with your hypothesis. I have an issue with the evidence that fails to support your hypothesis.

Good for you. The OP clearly would like to "get in shape". Now, taking into consideration that I provided the caveat that one cannot control genetics and age, the suggestions I offered are sound.

 

[djpar]

How does he know that eating right and exercising is possible? Are you seriously asking that?

Having examples of things tends to make me believe that they are possible. What makes you think that they are impossible?

Skeptic Ginger is trying to be argumentative. I can only guess why.

 

[Steve001]

I'm having a hard time believing the above, because the googling I did says that cellulite is also on thin women (and some men). It's a different kind of fat and being thin does not mean that one doesn't have cellulite. I've seen pictures of obese women that do not have cellulite fat - they are fat, but their skin is not dimpled. I am not concerned about what I weigh. It would appear that being thin is not the solution to ridding oneself of cellulite. Very frustrating.

Not all women have cellulite as you've noted do to variability of the connective tissue structure among women. I will stand corrected that it appears not to be possible to rid ones self of cellulite with dieting.
A quote from this site
Medical News Today medicalnewstoday.com/articles/149465.php

Cellulite occurs in both men and women, but it is much more common in women because they are more likely to have particular types of fat and connective tissue.

 

[ExMinister]

I doubt I will ever become a runner. I use my treadmill and walk at a brisk pace on an incline. I'm working my way up to increases in speed and incline. Part of this is to hopefully smooth out the fat deposits and part to increase cardiac strength.

That's good! It's also much easier on the shins and knees. I use my treadmill these days much more than I run. When I start to get too out of shape, I try to work up to walking 45 minutes a day at a 10% incline, maybe 5 days a week. This has worked for me in the past, too, to get rid of lower body fat and just overall firm up. It actually works for my stomach and upper arms too if I keep up with it. Nowdays I'm more concerned with just being healthy and feeling strong, not so much with being thin, so I haven't been pushing myself very hard. The treadmill will work, though, because it's working the large muscles of the lower body along with the cardio (similar to what you would get with running), and the 10% incline is like doing mild lunges for 45 minutes. It's very effective.

I'm having a hard time believing the above, because the googling I did says that cellulite is also on thin women (and some men). It's a different kind of fat and being thin does not mean that one doesn't have cellulite. I've seen pictures of obese women that do not have cellulite fat - they are fat, but their skin is not dimpled. I am not concerned about what I weigh. It would appear that being thin is not the solution to ridding oneself of cellulite. Very frustrating.

I agree. I have known plenty of thin women with cellulite. Maybe there is a genetic component, I don't know. In my case, it took a lot of really hard work over a period of time to get rid of it.

 

[thaiboxerken]

Not the part about less calories than you expend, but the part about that all there is to it as if being overweight is just a personal failing.

It is a personal failing, if it's a goal you want but fail to achieve. Societal and genetic factors can be overcome with enough persistence and training.