Flight 93

[Jackanory]

twinstead,

As to your ending question the answer is: Not much.

The board can either recognize and deal with the need for accountability in the board's one by ones and two by twos or not as the board sees fit.

You are quite right to place the discussion in the context of the audience and the relatively small number of people who access this information.

With that said, what about you, twinstead? Are you going to do something now that it is clear that the FBI botched the investigation of FL 93 to such a painfully obvious degree that it will not ever be possible to confirm what did or did not happen in Shanksville on 9/11?[/QUOT

Ignorance, arrogance and handwaving. Well done again.

How is your investigation going? You should be well on your way. Some very useful information and leads thrown your way recently. Phone numbers and all. What did the coroner say? Did the FBI agree with you? You must be close enough to the truth now that your will be able to submit your findings to the relevent people. How far have you got?

 

[jammonius]

Oh, since you posted a cherry picked quote you think you've won? Oh yeah, I forgot. You think that this:
[qimg]http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/db_images/db_P200061-1.jpg[/qimg]
came from one of these:
[qimg]http://precisionconversions.com/images/test_flight_04.jpg[/qimg] Then goes on to claim that only a couple of items survived while ignoring the pictures on this page. You can cherry pick all you want. I look at the full body of evidence. The preponderance of evidence shows that flight 93 was hijacked and then crashed in Shanksville after the passengers revolted. I will continue to believe what the evidence shows until real evidence proves otherwise. You can continue to spew the CT myth all you want and claim that everything that has been shown you doesn't exist and only surround yourself with your <1% of the actual evidence that you can twist to support your delusion.

lapman,

As you acknowledged, you are late to the discussion. The cargo carrier I'm referring to is in the nature of a horse carrier or something like this:

But, please understand, from my perspective, the discussion has moved on well past the issue of photo interpretation. We have seen conclusive proof the FBI botched the investigation of FL 93 such that no determination of what happened can ever be established.

I have said the issue is now that of accountability for the egregious fraud.

Have you anything to say about the issue of accountability and where we go from here?

It is to be noted, posters, that confirmation of the FBI's complete botching of the FL 93 investigation was established and admitted by no later than pg. 14 of this thread. The entire content of pg. 15 confirms a complete dodge of the issue of addressing the need for accountability for what the FBI has been conclusively shown to have done.

That is not yet an unreasonable outcome. It took about 1 full page from the outset of the posts that showed that the FBI had botched the FL 93 investigation before posters started to address that as well.

So, what about it posters.

Is there a willingness to discuss ways and means of seeking accountability for what the FBI has done in completely ruining the Flight 93 investigation, or is that one too painful to consider in this neck of the woods?

thanks

 

[DGM]

But, please understand, from my perspective, the discussion has moved on well past the issue of photo interpretation.

Translation:
My position is indefensible so I no longer want to talk about it.

We have seen conclusive proof the FBI botched the investigation of FL 93 such that no determination of what happened can ever be established.

Translation:
In my mind everything I type is true and I don't want to destroy that belief by looking at the facts.

 

[Jackanory]

lapman,

As you acknowledged, you are late to the discussion. The cargo carrier I'm referring to is in the nature of a horse carrier or something like this:

[qimg]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/TinaTrailerLeft-1.jpg?t=1267044910[/qimg]

But, please understand, from my perspective, the discussion has moved on well past the issue of photo interpretation. We have seen conclusive proof the FBI botched the investigation of FL 93 such that no determination of what happened can ever be established.

I have said the issue is now that of accountability for the egregious fraud.

Have you anything to say about the issue of accountability and where we go from here?

thanks

Then your dillusions have ended. You win. You have proved the fraud. You have all the evidence of an inside job. Get to it. I should anticipate some form of new 911 investigation being announced next week. Get to it. Work to be done. Its all over. Your the man who solved the crime of the century. Stop pissing about here. Stop with the hot air and get to your lawyer immediately before the MIB came knocking. Go now. No time to waste.

Or you could hang around a little longer for some more kicks rather than taking your evidence to who can do something about it.

 

[BigAl]

How did body parts from all the people that boarded Flight 93 (as shown on the manifest) in Newark (as identified by DNA) get to Shanksville, 120 minutes later?

 

[leftysergeant]

If I said, flat out, how high I thought the IQ of someone who could mistake aircraft parts for part of that horse trailer, I would probably be banned from the site.

Do learn something about metal working, jammonius.

 

[dtugg]

If I said, flat out, how high I thought the IQ of someone who could mistake aircraft parts for part of that horse trailer, I would probably be banned from the site.

Do learn something about metal working, jammonius.

Below room temperature?

 

[wargord]

[qimg]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/TinaTrailerLeft-1.jpg?t=1267044910[/qimg]

The windows on this trailer look nothing like those on the piece of FL93 found at the crash site.

But, please understand, from my perspective, the discussion has moved on well past the issue of photo interpretation. We have seen conclusive proof the FBI botched the investigation of FL 93 such that no determination of what happened can ever be established.

Where is this conclusive proof that you keep posting about?

I have said the issue is now that of accountability for the egregious fraud.

What does it matter what you say about the issue or how we should be discussing it? How did you become the authority on this?

It is to be noted, posters, that confirmation of the FBI's complete botching of the FL 93 investigation was established and admitted by no later than pg. 14 of this thread. The entire content of pg. 15 confirms a complete dodge of the issue of addressing the need for accountability for what the FBI has been conclusively shown to have done.

Who confirmed that the FBI botched the FL93 investigation? When was it even established that they did? And who admitted to it?

That is not yet an unreasonable outcome. It took about 1 full page from the outset of the posts that showed that the FBI had botched the FL 93 investigation before posters started to address that as well.

No posts in this entire thread show that the FBI botched the investigation? I don't know what you are reading but it never happened in this thread. Why don't you just provide the post numbers that show the FBI botched their FL93 investigation?

So, what about it posters.

Is there a willingness to discuss ways and means of seeking accountability for what the FBI has done in completely ruining the Flight 93 investigation, or is that one too painful to consider in this neck of the woods?

It still needs to be established that they actually did botch the investigation firs. Just because you keep repeating that is established doesn't make it so. The only person here who even thinks they botched it is you. You haven't provided any evidence to support your claims, yet you keep repeating them over and over.



You are one extremely pretentious person. I think you actually like being this way too.

 

[leftysergeant]

Below room temperature?

Dropped off at your front door from a square yellow vehicle every day after school to make sure you get home safely.

 

[lapman]

lapman,

As you acknowledged, you are late to the discussion. The cargo carrier I'm referring to is in the nature of a horse carrier or something like this:

[qimg]http://i1008.photobucket.com/albums/af205/jfibonacci/TinaTrailerLeft-1.jpg?t=1267044910[/qimg]

Since that nor any type of animal carrier looks anything like the picture from Shanksville, your argument has become a black hole of ignorance.

But, please understand, from my perspective, the discussion has moved on well past the issue of photo interpretation. We have seen conclusive proof the FBI botched the investigation of FL 93 such that no determination of what happened can ever be established.

Since your perspective has no basis in the real world, the rest of us can understand why you want to move away from an embarrassing moment. However, you've only offered proof that you have no concept of what real investigative practices are.

I have said the issue is now that of accountability for the egregious fraud.

Have you anything to say about the issue of accountability and where we go from here?

Again, the void between your definition and the real world definition of accountability makes the Grand Canyon look like a gofer hole.

It is to be noted, posters, that confirmation of the FBI's complete botching of the FL 93 investigation was established and admitted by no later than pg. 14 of this thread. The entire content of pg. 15 confirms a complete dodge of the issue of addressing the need for accountability for what the FBI has been conclusively shown to have done.

You've done no such thing. You've only proved that you have no idea of what your writing about.

That is not yet an unreasonable outcome. It took about 1 full page from the outset of the posts that showed that the FBI had botched the FL 93 investigation before posters started to address that as well.

We all know that the only outcom you will accept is the one that goes your way. You will reject anything else no matter what. That is typical of cult members.

So, what about it posters.

Is there a willingness to discuss ways and means of seeking accountability for what the FBI has done in completely ruining the Flight 93 investigation, or is that one too painful to consider in this neck of the woods?

thanks

Again, the FBI did no such thing, so your question is baseless.

 

[Jackanory]

If I said, flat out, how high I thought the IQ of someone who could mistake aircraft parts for part of that horse trailer, I would probably be banned from the site.

Do learn something about metal working, jammonius.

Not to mention the fact that the cost of the said horse trailer would be the equivalent of a private jet........for a horse. Who manufactures those fying horse boxes? Boeing? Airbus? Lockheed? Hawker? Or is it some secret military establishment in area 191?

 

[beachnut]

...
But, please understand, from my perspective, the discussion has moved on well past the issue of photo interpretation. We have seen conclusive proof the FBI botched the investigation of FL 93 such that no determination of what happened can ever be established. ...

Yes you can't identify anything. We have moved on to...

You need to seek professional mental health screening. Evidence, "beam weapon dustified steel", thinking a 1000 pound engine is a wheel cover, and saying aircraft fuselage is a horse trailer and posting photos of horse trailers proving yourself wrong.

Confirm this by posting some wheel covers doubling as jet engines. lol

 

[TJM]

Bump

bump

How did body parts from all the people that boarded Flight 93 (as shown on the manifest) in Newark (as identified by DNA) get to Shanksville, 120 minutes later?

Bada bump

 

[tfk]

Jamm,

good day posters,

Good day.

As I had indicated on pg. 14, THE JIG IS UP.

Yes, it is. You've been exposed as a smarmy kid, who thinks that making silly, baseless statements in flowery, legalese-sounding language gives his words some reality.

You're wrong.

The FBI has been shown to have completely botched, perhaps intentionally, but nonetheless very definitely, the investigation

No. They didn't. That's just your wishful thinking. aka "the voices in your head".

such that no claim as to what happened in Shanksville PA on 9/11 can be proven.

"the voices".

I think that is the way the FBI wanted it ...

"the voices".

The thread could, legitimately, debate whether the FBI intentionally sabotaged the Flight 93 investigation. Or, whether, indeed, the FBI was actually involved or whether the FBI was infiltrated or whatever.

"arrogant, self-aggrandizing voices".

The point that has been made and conceded is that the alleged plane wreckage has been intentionally lost, destoryed and otherwise mishandled.

No such point made. None conceded.
Dang voices...

It has also been established that the last entity stated to have had the plane wreckage no longer has it. That is point two.

Not established.
"the voices".

It has also been shown the FBI set up an investigatroy process that could not have made and did not make key findings about what happened because ...

... because of "the voices".

The FBI overruled the local authorities who were, apparently, quite miffed that the FBI was thwarting the investigation.

"the voices".

The NTSB was called off of the invetigation to such a degree that to this day, the time of the alleged crash of Flight 93 is simply not known.

"the voices".
No one was "called off".
The cause is known.

The data that survived or was allowed to remain is too inexact to establish the time of the crash.

Do "the voices" tell you that "if the plane crashed at 10:03, then it means this. But if it crashed at 10:05, it means that"?

Perhaps you could ask them to explain.

Based upon those conceded facts,

"the voices" are telling you that you've lawyered everyone into making these concessions.

Tricksy voices...

it is quite clear that what happened in re alleged FL 93 has never been firmly established and never will be because

"the voices" don't want an answer...
It would end all the fun.
And then you'd have to go do your home-work.

Or, in all probability, never existed in the first place, which is the best interpretation of the data, IMHO.

Oh, none of us really exist.
It's just you. And "the voices".

If posters here do NOT want to deal with the issue of accountability

"the voices" tell you that you are the smartest, the bestest and the only courageous person around.

"the voices" give nice messages, don't they?

for this egregious and firmly proven state of affairs

"the voices" say you talk purty, too.

So, posters, last time I will ask:

"Don't make me take my ball & go home."

Does anyone here, anyone at all have a desire to discuss steps that could be taken and/or ideas for seeking accountability for the egregious failure in the investigation of what happened in Shanksville PA on 9/11/01?

You don't need anyone else in your dialog, Jamm.
You don't really want anyone else in your dialog.
Just you & your voices.

Jamm, all kids fantasize.
Most grow out of it.

Sorry. Wishful thinking doesn't supplant reality.
Yeah, you don't get to be the hero. You don't get to feel superior to everyone else's fallibility & compromise & downright

But reality is better because other people can play in your life, too.

Of course, you won't be the center of attention all the time, anymore, but...


Tom

 

[Hokulele]

You need to seek professional mental health screening. "beam weapon dustified steel" pure insanity.

Go ahead and confirm this by posting some wheel covers doubling as jet engines. lol

Horse-Trailer, 13,000 to 41,000
Jet aircraft, 999,000 to 35,000,000
You can't get much right, time to quit your delusion spewing and take up something you can do.

I am pretty sure you meant to address this to jammonius, not Jackanory.

 

[aggle-rithm]

The windows on this trailer look nothing like those on the piece of FL93 found at the crash site.

This brings up an interesting point, because jammonius clearly states that he KNOWS the debris is from a "cargo carrier"

In the post immediately above, for instance, beachnut has reposted the photograph of the cargo carrier that beachnut wants desparately to be a fragment of a Boeing 757.

He then ridicules my effort to enlighten him by placing the debris side-by-side with a 757:

Your picture is a) fake; b) the cargo carrier windows don't match those in your picture in either shape or aspect ratio and c) that comparison was almost certainly not done by anyone having any official duty to investigate the alleged crash of FL 93.

Were I you, I'd retract the above photo. The common myth is not advanced by using fake pictures that don't even having matching window shapes!

So, why are matching window shapes no longer important when they don't support jammonius' fantasies?

Simple, he's a troll.

 

[tsig]

But, please understand, from my perspective, the discussion has moved on well past the issue of photo interpretation. We have seen conclusive proof the FBI botched the investigation of FL 93 such that no determination of what happened can ever be established.

<snip>

Is there a willingness to discuss ways and means of seeking accountability or what the FBI has done in completely ruining the Flight 93 investigation, or is that one too painful to consider in this neck of the woods?
thanks

There seems to be a contradiction between the two bolded statements.

 

[beachnut]

I am pretty sure you meant to address this to jammonius, not Jackanory.

I had my grandson on my lap doing a video conference with my wife in San Jose where she is sitting 3 grandsons; I read the posts and thought the post was from jammonius after skimming the horse-trailer photo too big for my screen... and I was eating lunch. No excuse, I have to come down the stairs to fix some disaster with Judah now ...

... disaster was,
he discovered where the kisses were, "asked what's that", we had some, and Dinosaur Train is keeping him occupied until we decide to run in the rain.

My grandson asks what something is and he does not make up delusions about what something is.

 

[tsig]

Below room temperature?

liquid oxygen.

 

[jammonius]

Below room temperature?

dtugg,

While you continue to miss the point that back and forth banter about what little evidence of FL 93 there is is pointless, let's nonetheless take as an example this iconic photo:

I have said it looks like the piece of a cargo carrier of some sort, I offered as a possibility, a horse carrier as, after all, it was found in a rural and agricultural part of Pennsylvania.

Others say that it is something else.

Query, to what source can anyone who proclaims to high heaven and beyond that the piece of metal shown above is a part of a Boeing 757 refer for specific identification of that piece of metal as a part of the Boeing 757 that crashed at Shanksville?

I note, for example, that the Moussaoui trial exhibit list makes only the following claim about that piece of metal:

"Photograph of an airplane part found at the scene in Somerset County, Pennsylvania, where Flight 93 crashed"

For those of you for whom English is either your first, second, third or fourth language, do any of such persons fail to grasp that the quoted language makes no claim the piece of metal is a part of either a Boeing 757 or Flight 93?

Now, since that language does not identify the said piece of metal as a part of a Boeing 757, can the posters here who place so much emphasis on how obvious that photo is of a Boeing 757 please source their claim.

After you fail to do that, can we please move on to the necessary discussion of accountability for the botched investigation of what happened in that field at Shanksville on 9/11, once and for all?

thanks in advance