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What about this crop circle?

Stray Cat said:
But Colin Andrews' tenuous links between unrelated events and his tendency to embellish his own importance are legendary in the small world of the circlemaker... Right from the time he first started researching the subject when he claimed quite ambiguously to be a Government Officer. It turned out he was an electrician for the local council, right up to recently when he has described himself as 'Crop Circle Advisor to the Queen' when in reality, his book was added to the Queens Christmas reading list in the year it was published (back in the 80's) and to my knowledge, he hasn't had any invitations to the palace to discuss the matter.
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So what does a tendency to embellish his own importance have to do with anything? Does it have bearing on the question of whether Operation Blackbird was in part a set-up? Did his tendencies and arrogance make him some enemies?

I'm not sure he would openly.
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Then what makes you think he feels that way?
 
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Limbo said:
Ok, you've mentioned Nick Pope a few times. Have you met him, by any chance?
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I've met him, he told me quite frankly that he was now employed more directly in woo than he ever was when he worked for the MOD and stated that he had to be careful what he said to who as it could affect his income. Then after a couple more drinks he told me it was all a load of cobblers and that he'd never seen anything that didn't have a mundane explanation

not what you were hoping for ?
;)
 
Marduk said:
I've met him, he told me quite frankly that he was now employed more directly in woo than he ever was when he worked for the MOD and stated that he had to be careful what he said to who as it could affect his income. Then after a couple more drinks he told me it was all a load of cobblers and that he'd never seen anything that didn't have a mundane explanation

not what you were hoping for ?
;)
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Is there a "Project Blue Book" type revelation in Pope's future?
Not that it would accomplish much, the wooies would "know" it's still a cover-up for the "truth".
 
The stone circles in Peru...
National Geographic, March 2010.
 

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Stray Cat, did I mention how much I'm enjoying your posts? I've always been a great admirer of well-executed crop circles, though I've only ever seen them in photographs.

Rolfe.
 
Limbo said:
So what does a tendency to embellish his own importance have to do with anything?
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I think it is important limbo. If you're in the public eye, and have a following, who listen to you and believe what you say, then I think you have an obligation not to exaggerate your connections and to have integrity in what you say, which includes not 'playing to the gallery'.
Just my tuppence-worth now.
 
Limbo said:
Why not?
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Because you're making a claim that even though we know 100% for certain that many crop circles are made by humans by mundane means, some are not. It doesn't matter how many crop circles we can prove were 100% certainly made by humans by mundane means, you will always claim that others are not.

It's a silly and illogical game.

Your position is primarily an argument from ignorance.

(I suggest you follow the link and learn what that means. It doesn't mean you're ignorant about crop circles. It means that your argument follows this basic form, "If you can't explain x, then my explanation must be true." Our inability to explain anything--assuming that inability exists--doesn't argue for anything.)
 
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Limbo said:
So what does a tendency to embellish his own importance have to do with anything? Does it have bearing on the question of whether Operation Blackbird was in part a set-up? Did his tendencies and arrogance make him some enemies?
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It is true that there are several people (mostly other crop circle researchers) who don't like him, either because of his success or whatever, but no that has no bearing on Operation Blackbird.
What does have a great bearing on it, is that in order to inflate his own importance, on the morning that crop circle was discovered, he rushed to the scene to be the one who appeared on TV, he didn't look at the circle at all and still felt qualified to pronounce it as genuine. Had he a modicum of professionalism in his own claimed expertise, he would have done some of what he claims to do ie: RESEARCH before making a fool of himself (note the word 'himself' here, no one was holding a gun to his head).

Limbo said:
Then what makes you think he feels that way?
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Just a general overview taking on board what he says and who he says it to. His website is probably a good place to start for you.
 
Do you happen to have a copy of Secrets in the Fields, Stray Cat?
 
23_Tauri said:
and with the photo of the vigilante and the re-construction of the crop circle ;)

http://doubleudoubleudoubleu.dailym...tourists-300ft-design-appeared-overnight.html

Husband of the mayor of Oldham if I remember correctly... (I would check that but I have to dash)
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You mean the reconstruction of the crop circle that was done by a very talented graphic designer and then stolen without any credit to the artist by the Daily Mail and Earthfiles (though Linda Mutilated Cow did put the error right when he pointed it out to her.) ;)
 
Stray Cat said:
Just a general overview taking on board what he says and who he says it to. His website is probably a good place to start for you.
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Just a general overview? What if you're wrong?

Have you read Open Skies, Closed Minds by Pope?

"As a career civil servant with Britain's Ministry of Defence, Pope served a three-year stint in the early 1990s as chief investigator of UFO sightings in the United Kingdom. He began as a skeptic and ended up a true believer. This book, a bestseller in Britain, attempts to explain his conversion but does a poor job of it."

"Probably the best known ‘inside’ proponent of the ETH is Nick Pope, who served as Higher Executive Officer with Sec (AS) 2a, as the MoD’s ‘UFO desk’ at Whitehall was known, from 1985 to 2000. Pope claims that he became an ETH ‘believer’ as a result of the cases he dealt with during his tour of duty from 1991–94. Having failed to persuade his superiors, on leaving the post Pope was persuaded to write a book, Open Skies, Closed Minds, billed as “the first time a Government UFO expert speaks out.” http://www.forteantimes.com/articles/164_govtxfiles.shtml

Or The Uninvited?

"Originally skeptical, he now believes that there is substance to many of the reported abduction cases and calls for national governments to investigate the matter actively."

Ex-UFO Researcher Details British Government X-Files

Britain's top UFO expert says there's no smoking gun that proves UFOs exist, but he's seen enough evidence to convert him from skeptic to believer.

In your view, are all these just examples of disinformation? After all, if he's really a skeptic as you say then these books are intentionally misleading, right?
 
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