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Tory lead continues to shrink

I'm conflicted on this

1. It would be an absolute travesty if Labour win after right royally screwing up the entire country for the past decade.

2. It will be a travesty if Nu-Conservatives with their faux-concern for any social provision win, masking the same old pull-the-ladder-up-jack rich boy agenda

3. It will be a disaster if we have a hung parliament - we need massive massive action over the next 4 years to tackle our debt burden. If we have a hung parliament you can kiss goodbye to any AAA rating and look forward to financial catastophy as the parties squabble amongst themselves for the next 5 years.

I'm going to vote for the Greens, but god knows what's best for the country......
 
andyandy said:
I'm conflicted on this

1. It would be an absolute travesty if Labour win after right royally screwing up the entire country for the past decade.
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I can't help seeing this as hyperbole. The national minimum wage, the abolition of Clause 28, paternity leave, 18-months to 18-weeks, civil partnerships, 8% reduction in crime, the lowest unemployment during a recession in the last half-century, the ban on cluster bombs and surestart are among their achievements.
 
Arcade22 said:
How come?
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well, i actually agree with some of their policies! Not all of them, and I'm not even that big an environmentalist, but in terms of social policy they're the only left of centre party left in England.....
 
Undesired Walrus said:
I can't help seeing this as hyperbole. The national minimum wage, the abolition of Clause 28, paternity leave, 18-months to 18-weeks, civil partnerships, 8% reduction in crime, the lowest unemployment during a recession in the last half-century, the ban on cluster bombs and surestart are among their achievements.
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hmmm... I'll give you paternity, minimum wage, surestart (the idea at least is good..), cluster bombs, pro gay rights, crime (though god knows which statistics to believe - labour has spent a decade abusing them....)

But

10 years of a lassaiz faire "market knows best" race to the bottom with New York leading to the nationalisation (through implicit guarantee or explicit take over) of the entire UK banking system. Leaving the country with an unimaginably severe debt burden that will constrain all social provision for years if not decades.

The PFI mortaging of future spending as a balance sheet trick

The child protection hysteria which is massively damaging all adult-child social interaction and the entire voluntary sector...

Starting an illegal war with god knows how many hundreds of thousands dead

being complicit in wanton abuse of basic human rights re extrajudicial kidnap and torture

Labour will leave the country in an absolute dire state. And I think that's how legacies should be judged.
 
andyandy said:
well, i actually agree with some of their policies! Not all of them, and I'm not even that big an environmentalist, but in terms of social policy they're the only left of centre party left in England.....
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And what issues do find to be the most important?
 
andyandy said:
well, i actually agree with some of their policies! Not all of them, and I'm not even that big an environmentalist, but in terms of social policy they're the only left of centre party left in England.....
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What are they in favour of? Nationalisation of industry, privitisation? Pulling out of Afghanistan? Increasing the minimum wage (If so, how)? Looking up their policies online, they seem to be remarkably vague.
 
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commandlinegamer said:
I vote V
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You can't. V wouldn't accept leadership by people apointed through democractic election as a legitimate system of goverment. He would also reject the idea that there is any form of legitimate goverment.
 
andyandy said:
2. It will be a travesty if Nu-Conservatives with their faux-concern for any social provision win, masking the same old pull-the-ladder-up-jack rich boy agenda
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What does this mean?
 
Quite honestly I'm no fan of the current Labour party, but my attitude is "Not the Tories!".

Seriously. I will only vote Conservative if the alternatives are far right or communist loons. Not just because I am a Socialist but because I know what they did last time around. Dear lord alive, considering the fact that a number of towns in the North and in Wales are STILL reeling from Tory mismanagement of the economy under Thatcher I think it owuld be nothing but bind stupidity to trust them again.

I don't believe "Call-Me-Dave" Cameron's attempt to distance himself from the more right wing members of his party is genuine or even really practical given their aparent disregard for the cultural and social modernisaton taking place in the world. Hell, een when he's railing against such liberal ideas with his apparent desire for some form of middle ground some of the party's more....interesting supporters attack him.

Oh, and don't get me started on the scum they associate with in the European Parliament.
 
Undesired Walrus said:
Didn't the vast majority of Tories support it in the vote?
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Yes, and when I went off to war in Iraq, it was a Tory govt and we were short of kit.

same old, same old.........

I think if Labour head back more to the left over the next few months the gap will narrow. The voting reform is a good move IMO. The Tories have nothing to offer except a pleasing on the eye leader and Labour will show this. If they cannot show the UK voter that if you scratch beneath the surface its the same old Tory philosophy, then they do not deserve to be in power.
 
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