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Gravy said:
Here's a statement from Paul Isaac Jr., printed with his permission.
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So the true statement was the that I heard Explosions not bombs as I couldn't tell what the sounds were as I was blocks away and can not confirm what the noise was. As I was aproaching City Hall the North Tower began the collapse I heard what sounded like thunder just prior to the collapse then the Popping as the tower fell. I had my radio scanner and there were reports of explsions within the conplex over the PD and PAPD frequencies. As I made my way closer I could pick up on the FD Handie Talkie frequencies and it sounded like hell. No one new what the was going to happen next but when the second tower began its fall there were what sounded like loud popping coming from the tower as well as a sucking sound like reveres air pressure.
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I just finished reading a thread where our friend Paul Isaac participated. He seems to be completely reduced to incoherent babble by now. It was a thread about Firefighters for 9/11 Truth on a firefighters forum - quite interesting. The leader of the group enters in #18.
 
Profanz said:
According to debunkers there should be thousands of recordings of any sounds claimed on 9/11. If you can't find at least 500, they must not have happened.

Sorry.
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Ypu mean you didn't hear the sounds of the Jumpers that people mistook for explosions either ? Or any of the other sounds that people mistook for explosions ?

You see how we are going to blow the tampered audio out of the water guys ? I told you before and now the chickens have come home to roost.
 
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Eric Lawyer said:
For years I believed the "official story" and aggressively defended it. I read Popular Mechanics and watched all the specials that went over the cause of collapse. I refused to listen to my Lt., told him he was crazy, and should leave the country. I really didn't listen to any of what I thought were "whack jobs/liberals/9-11 twoofers" until a buddy of mine who is a West Point grad non-emotionally opened my eyes.
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Damned, duhbunkies, there's a convert who was even exposed to JREF infant babble! How could this happen?
 
Childlike Empress said:
Damned, duhbunkies, there's a convert who was even exposed to JREF infant babble! How could this happen?
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He is a moron? How? How do you suspend rational thinking and start to spew dirt dumb delusions based on hearsay and lies like you support with CIT idiot flight paths they don't have?

Brain cancer. Doing too many drugs. Insanity. Alzheimer hit early, or on time. Brain injury. Was dirt dumb stupid to begin with, and it was a coincidence he supported 19 terrorist did it. Someone made it up, a fake story, as in big 911 truth lie, standard stuff for 911 liars like 911 truth.


http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/04/firefighters-slam-firefighters-for-9-11.html

http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107457
 
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beachnut said:
He is a moron? How? How do you suspend rational thinking and start to spew dirt dumb delusions based on hearsay and lies like you support with CIT idiot flight paths they don't have?

Brain cancer. Doing too many drugs. Insanity. Alzheimer hit early, or on time. Brain injury. Was dirt dumb stupid to begin with, and it was a coincidence he supported 19 terrorist did it. Someone made it up, a fake story, as in big 911 truth lie, standard stuff for 911 liars like 911 truth.


http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/2009/04/firefighters-slam-firefighters-for-9-11.html

http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107457
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Face it. Debunkers don't even matter. BTW debunker isn't even a word yet. Nor will it ever be. As time goes on, 9/11 will just become more mysterious. More questions will be raised.

Not because of truthers, which also isn't a word. But because there are still so many questions left about what happened that day.

Why was the investigation stonewalled?
 
Profanz said:
According to debunkers there should be thousands of recordings of any sounds claimed on 9/11. If you can't find at least 500, they must not have happened.

Sorry.
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The argument is not that if all explosions weren't recorded, then no explosions happened.
In fact, it has been argued by debunkers that explosions are a fairly common happenstance during building fires as various items react badly to the heat. Thus explosions do not necessarily involve explosives, and an earwitness hearing an explosion did not necessarily hear a bomb.
However, any explosions powerful enough to cut the large structural elements of a building should have shown up on pretty much all audio recordings and seismographic records as well.

But you knew that.
 
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Profanz said:
Face it. Debunkers don't even matter. BTW debunker isn't even a word yet. Nor will it ever be. As time goes on, 9/11 will just become more mysterious. More questions will be raised.

Not because of truthers, which also isn't a word. But because there are still so many questions left about what happened that day.

Why was the investigation stonewalled?
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http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/debunker
 
TjW said:
The argument is not that if all explosions weren't recorded, then no explosions happened.
In fact, it has been argued by debunkers that explosions are a fairly common happenstance during building fires as various items react badly to the heat. Thus explosions do not necessarily involve explosives, and an earwitness hearing an explosion did not necessarily hear a bomb.
However, any explosions powerful enough to cut the large structural elements of a building should have shown up on pretty much all audio recordings and seismographic records as well.

But you knew that.
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No I did not know as much. In fact that line of thinking seems to me to be insane. If people heard explosions and claimed as much there is absolutely no way to determine exactly what they heard or how loud it was after the fact.

Did you not know that?
 
Profanz said:
No I did not know as much. In fact that line of thinking seems to me to be insane.
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Yowza.

Explosions go "boom."
Explosions big enough to sever steel columns go BOOOOOOOOOM and would knock out every window in this vicinity.
This was not observed on 9/11, by people, recordings, seismographs or windows.
That's because explosions didn't cause the structural failure.

What is "insane" about this observation?
 
TjW said:
The argument is not that if all explosions weren't recorded, then no explosions happened.
In fact, it has been argued by debunkers that explosions are a fairly common happenstance during building fires as various items react badly to the heat. Thus explosions do not necessarily involve explosives, and an earwitness hearing an explosion did not necessarily hear a bomb.
However, any explosions powerful enough to cut the large structural elements of a building should have shown up on pretty much all audio recordings and seismographic records as well.

But you knew that.
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Profanz said:
No I did not know as much. In fact that line of thinking seems to me to be insane. If people heard explosions and claimed as much there is absolutely no way to determine exactly what they heard or how loud it was after the fact.

Did you not know that?
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Deliberately obtuse-
Acting thick/dumb on purpose.
 
Profanz said:
No I did not know as much. In fact that line of thinking seems to me to be insane. If people heard explosions and claimed as much there is absolutely no way to determine exactly what they heard or how loud it was after the fact.

Did you not know that?
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Any noise heard by only one person or recorded on one camera can't possibly be caused by man-made demolition large enough to cause the collapse of a tower.

In the 1993 bombing, the bomb (equal to 1,000 pound of TNT) wasn't large enough to cause structural damage to a tower. The bomb was 6 floors deep in the basement parking lot yet it was heard all over the 16 acre WTC complex and inside all the buildings.

No such explosion was heard on 9/11.


I bet you didn't know that.
 
carlitos said:
Yowza.

Explosions go "boom."
Explosions big enough to sever steel columns go BOOOOOOOOOM and would knock out every window in this vicinity.
This was not observed on 9/11, by people, recordings, seismographs or windows.
That's because explosions didn't cause the structural failure.

What is "insane" about this observation?
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What's insane about your claim is that you observed absolutely nothing on 9/11.
 
Profanz said:
No I did not know as much. In fact that line of thinking seems to me to be insane. If people heard explosions and claimed as much there is absolutely no way to determine exactly what they heard or how loud it was after the fact.

Did you not know that?
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Yes, but the problem that you dolts keep missing is that there are many many different things that go boom in a fire. We can rule out explosives like C-4, as they are VERY loud, and would have been hear by EVERYONE for BLOCKS AND BLOCKS!

WE however CANNOT rule out the 10+ different things that go boom in a fire. They cannot be ruled out.
 
triforcharity said:
Yes, but the problem that you dolts keep missing is that there are many many different things that go boom in a fire. We can rule out explosives like C-4, as they are VERY loud, and would have been hear by EVERYONE for BLOCKS AND BLOCKS!

WE however CANNOT rule out the 10+ different things that go boom in a fire. They cannot be ruled out.
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Okay. No need to call me a dolt. So you don't know what those explosions were. I'll give you that much. At least you know that there actually were explosions. You just can't claim to know what they were after the fact. That's all I'm saying.
 
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