Australia

[dafydd]

"Members of the Royal Navy only refer to the flag as the Union Jack when it is flying on their ships, commonly phrased as 'at sea'. Even the same flag, before it is flying will be called the Union Flag"

 

[Hokulele]

We are a bunch of islands. Everything here is "at sea".

 

[Akhenaten]

"Members of the Royal Navy only refer to the flag as the Union Jack when it is flying on their ships, commonly phrased as 'at sea'. Even the same flag, before it is flying will be called the Union Flag"

Okie dokes. Iz tired and that's a more precise explanation than mine. Thanks Mate.

In Australia, we use a Red (civvie) or White (Royal Australian Navy) Ensign where the RN uses the Jack. I'll do a post on it later today.

We are a bunch of islands. Everything here is "at sea".

'tis a biggie too, eh? Not like that Atlantic pipsqueak.

 

[MG1962]

I seem to remember more about Australia than I thought, doing a readup about the whole Gallipoli mess. Seems to have made a lasting impact on you guys.

You could fill book shelves with discussions about the impact it had on us. Perhaps the two most obvious was the fact we went away as Victorians, Queenslanders etc, came home Australians

The other enduring impact was the evolution of not letting your mate down. Many of the men exacuated during the last days of the battle talked about the bitterness...not of loosing, but of letting down all the boys who were going to be left behind in graves

 

[MG1962]

"Members of the Royal Navy only refer to the flag as the Union Jack when it is flying on their ships, commonly phrased as 'at sea'. Even the same flag, before it is flying will be called the Union Flag"

From

http://www.flaginstitute.org/index.php?location=7.1

It is often stated that the Union Flag should only be described as the Union Jack when flown in the bows of a warship, but this is a relatively recent idea. From early in its life the Admiralty itself frequently referred to the flag as the Union Jack, whatever its use, and in 1902 an Admiralty Circular announced that Their Lordships had decided that either name could be used officially. Such use was given Parliamentary approval in 1908 when it was stated that "the Union Jack should be regarded as the National flag".
Cdr Bruce Nicolls OBE RN (Retd)

 

[arthwollipot]

I seem to remember more about Australia than I thought, doing a readup about the whole Gallipoli mess. Seems to have made a lasting impact on you guys.

Yeah - every ANZAC day there's two-up, parades, drinking, barbequeues, sporting matches...

Cripes, imagine what we'd do if we'd won!

 

[Akhenaten]

A bloke and a shiela were out walking on a windy day when her skirt was lifted by a Southerly.

'airy aint it? sez he.

She replies "What'd you expect mate, feathers?"

 

[Akhenaten]

They actually issue uniforms for Premiers to wear?

More or less. There's a range of things for Gubmint people to wear, especially in The Sunshine State where suits are generally considered vaguely ridiculous.

Apart from that, Anna is dead caz, and her laid-back appearance is who she really is, not a just a politician's gambit.

And why is she in front of the English flag?

Stirrin' bastard.

I don't think she is. I think it's just the upper left corner of a very big Australian flag. (I think; it looks like it's a field of blue below the English part. Or I could be wrong.)

Close, Lovely Lady. 'tis the same flag I have hanging on my bedroom wall.

State Flag of Queensland - The Sunshine State​

Stop playing with my strawmen!

You call it your strawman, do you? I just call mine a . . .


Never mind.

Oh, okay.

Actually, my state flag has the union jack in the upper left field as well. That's why I consider myself an honorary Australian...we have that similarity in history together: we were both screwed over by the English.

Remember this from last year?

I know exactly what you mean.

Myself and a lot of other people have picked up a lot of history fom visiting old cemeteries throughout Australia.

Here's a note about the oldest European grave that I've visited in Australia. It is the very first one that ever there was.


Kurnell

On April 29th, 1770, Captain James Cook landed for the first time on Australian soil at Inscription Point, on the Kurnell peninsula. His ship, the "Endeavour", remained anchored in Botany Bay for eight days. One of his crew, a Scotsman by the name of Forby Sutherland, died during this time of tuberculosis, and was buried on the shore. Sutherland Point is named in his honour, as is the municipality in which Kurnell lies, and the nearby suburb of Sutherland.

Sutherland is where I grew up.

Do you have anything similar in Hawaii? Comparing the histories of our two countries is quite a valid subject for this thread, you know.

 

[Akhenaten]

Hawaii, I think.

(Excellent guess, Lolly! What gave you your first clue? )

Spoken like a true Australian Lady.

A bloke like myself would probably have just said "No naughtypooword, Sherlock."

 

[Akhenaten]

Eerie, wasn't it? I think I must have psychic powers.

And responded to like a true-blue Aussie lady as well.

I would have said "Get off me havingsex case, Seppo!"




Vote 1 - Akhenaten, for next US ambassador!


That'd end well.

 

[HawaiiBigSis]

Remember this from last year?

Funny thing you should mention that...

Just earlier today I was remembering a statement I made (although I didn't remember it was a year ago...yikes!) that you asked me to support. I did some initial research, found some quotes to support my statement...and then forgot about it.

I guess I'll have to get back to it.

But not tonight. I have cookies to make and Olympics to watch. (Hey, I have my priorities straight!)

 

[Akhenaten]

You do indeed. Aren't the Olympics great? I like the Winter ones much better than all that boring swimming and stuff they do at the Summer games.

can be very proud of the job they're doing.

 

[Akhenaten]

Yeah - every ANZAC day there's two-up, parades, drinking, barbequeues, sporting matches...

Cripes, imagine what we'd do if we'd won!

That's an extraordinarily Australian thing to say. Goodonyermate.

 

[Akhenaten]

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The Australian White Ensign (AWE) or Royal Australian Navy Ensign is the ensign flown by ships of the Royal Australian Navy. The ensign is based on the Australian national flag, which is flown in HMA Ships and Submarines as a jack, with the field changed to white and the Commonwealth Star and southern cross in blue. It has been used since 1 March 1967.

At first, Royal Australian Navy ships flew the British White Ensign from the stern, under the direction of the British Admiralty. Australian government ministers, along with their counterparts from other dominions such as Canada, had proposed in 1909 that a White Ensign defaced with a local symbol would be more appropriate, however the Admiralty insisted that the national flag flown from the jackstaff at the bow was sufficient to display the nationality of the ship.

The Vietnam War finally provided sufficient catalyst for the Australian Government to tell the Admiralty to naff off, and since then (HMAS Boonaroo in 1967) the White Ensign has been the flag to keep a sea eye out for, be ye whaler or eco-terrorist.

Respect.

When the Commonwealth Government announced a competition to design a flag for Australia in 1901, entrants were asked to send a design for two flags – one for official and naval purposes and the other for merchant ships.

The resulting Commonwealth Red Ensign (ARE) or Merchant Flag was identical to the Australian National Flag (or Commonwealth Blue Ensign as it was then known) except that it had a red background instead of a blue one.

Historically, the Australian red ensign was used on land and at sea and Australians have fought under it during both world wars.

There was considerable confusion in the first half of the 20th century over the appropriate use of the red ensign as opposed to the blue ensign.

This was clarified with the passage of the Flags Act 1953 which proclaimed the blue ensign as the Australian National Flag. The Australian Red Ensign became the official flag to be flown at sea by Australian registered merchant ships.

 

[Lolly]

A bloke like myself would probably have just said "No naughtypooword, Sherlock."

 

[HawaiiBigSis]

Eat? Cite?

Okay, Hokulele answered it in another thread...

[pedant mode]

The Hawai'ians did not eat Captain Cook, but showed him honor in their own way. In their culture, bones are sacred, but the meat is just waste material. For regular folks, they just left 'em where they dropped. This causes much angst when new development is done out here, as they have to have an archaeologist check for human remains, that must then be repatriated, before any serious construction is done.

For which, I am very grateful, as it probably delays the construction in the field behind my house for about ... ever ... hopefully!

For nobility, the corpse was steamed to remove all of the flesh before the bones were hidden by relatives, or trusted retainers, in secret locations. The bones were considered to contain the mana, or spirit force, of the person. If you could steal their bones, you could steal their mana.

Captain Cook was honored by being subjected to this steaming process. However, the sailors demanded the return of his body, and received a, er, steaming torso in response to this demand. They eventually got his head and a few limbs back as well, but the Hawai'ians kept a bunch of the, er, extremeties for their mana.

[/pedant]

This is also the story I learned -- and what I was referring to all that time ago. This practice was apparently the source of the Hawaiians-as-cannibals legends. (Which served to keep people away for a while, so it was worth it.)

 

[Sideroxylon]

I reckon the NT flag is one of the best looking of our states and territories. I love the colours and the southern cross looks good in that position. Its also special to me because I grew up in that part of the country and was there when it was introduced.

Wikipedia:

The current state flag of the Northern Territory was officially adopted by the Northern Territory, Australia in 1978. The Northern Territory has been in existence since 1911, but could not hoist its first flag until self-government in 1978.

History

The Flag of the Northern Territory was officially acknowledged and raised for the first time in a ceremony celebrating self-government, on the esplanade in Darwin, the Territorial capital, on July 1, 1978. The ceremony was further acknowledged by a 19-gun salute from HMAS Derwent. As the Northern Territory never had colonial status or a prior flag, it was decided that an original design would be created. The flag was designed by Robert Ingpen, a prominent artist originally from Drysdale, Victoria. Ingpen used a number of designs suggested by the public as a basis for his final design.

Design

The flag differs from the flags of the Australian states as it does not include the British Blue Ensign. It is similar in design to that of the flag of the Australian Capital Territory. The flags' colours consist of the official Territorian colours of black, white and ochre. The Southern Cross appears as five white stars on a black panel at the hoist. In the fly of the flag is a stylised Sturt's Desert Rose, the Territory's floral emblem since 1961, with seven white petals and a black seven-pointed core. The seven white petals represent the six Australian States and the Northern Territory.

 

[Akhenaten]

I reckon the NT flag is one of the best looking of our states and territories. I love the colours and the southern cross looks good in that position. Its also special to me because I grew up in that part of the country and was there when it was introduced.

Cool. Thanks mate.

It is indeed a beautiful flag, and in fact once inspired an infamous Ancient Egyptian Australian artist (?) to have a go at drawing something vaguely territorian using the same colours, just because they seem to be quintessentially the colours of the top end in the dry.

Albert Namatjira I ain't

 

[Moss]

Cool. Thanks mate.

It is indeed a beautiful flag, and in fact once inspired an infamous Ancient Egyptian Australian artist (?) to have a go at drawing something vaguely territorian using the same colours, just because they seem to be quintessentially the colours of the top end in the dry.

http://www.yvonneclaireadams.com/HostedStuff/GoannaPainting.jpg​

Albert Namatjira I ain't

That looks vaguely sexual.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Albert Namatjira I ain't

That looks vaguely sexual.

Yeah

Looks like a dingletwanger