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"Skeptical Science" Website on Global Warming

MattusMaximus

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Bravo! Thanks for bringing this into the light. Lots of good stuff here. Dunning-Kruger effect, anyone?

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BenBurch said:
You mentioned a similar iPhone app for Evolution. I simply cannot find it. Do you have a pointer?
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The app for evolution is basically the Index to Creationist Claims from Talk Origins. It went up on I-Tunes in mid January for a little over a week before being taken down due to a copyright dispute. Fortunately, I nabbed a copy before then. I don't know when, or if, it will return to I-Tunes.
 
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I just don't understand why people want to believe that global warming is a hoax. Do they really think 97% of the climate scientists are in a conspiracy? I can understand the denial of evolution, because of the emotional attachment to their gods...... but what is the emotional attachment that causes denial of global warming?
 
thaiboxerken said:
I just don't understand why people want to believe that global warming is a hoax. Do they really think 97% of the climate scientists are in a conspiracy? I can understand the denial of evolution, because of the emotional attachment to their gods...... but what is the emotional attachment that causes denial of global warming?
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Money.
 
thaiboxerken said:
How so? Is it a tax thing?
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Partly, and partly they are afraid that it will raise the price of gasoline and goods when we go to alternative energy.

I believe they have all made the calculation that they will have slipped this mortal coil by the time its a problem, and so it is in their interest to burn all the cheap fossil fuel they can while doing nothing at all to address the problem.

They simply couldn't care less about posterity.
 
thaiboxerken said:
I just don't understand why people want to believe that global warming is a hoax. Do they really think 97% of the climate scientists are in a conspiracy? I can understand the denial of evolution, because of the emotional attachment to their gods...... but what is the emotional attachment that causes denial of global warming?
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The debate on climate change is not settled.

The BBC's environment analyst Roger Harrabin put questions to Professor Jones

N - When scientists say "the debate on climate change is over", what exactly do they mean - and what don't they mean?

J – “It would be supposition on my behalf to know whether all scientists who say the debate is over are saying that for the same reason. I don't believe the vast majority of climate scientists think this. This is not my view. There is still much that needs to be undertaken to reduce uncertainties, not just for the future, but for the instrumental (and especially the palaeoclimatic) past as well.”

If a leading AGW scientist is not sure! Does that make him a denier?
 
thaiboxerken said:
I just don't understand why people want to believe that global warming is a hoax. Do they really think 97% of the climate scientists are in a conspiracy? I can understand the denial of evolution, because of the emotional attachment to their gods...... but what is the emotional attachment that causes denial of global warming?
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Nothing emotional, it's one of skepticism.

BenBurch said:
Money.
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For a small few perhaps.
All the warmers believe for political reasons too. :rolleyes:

Haig said:
The debate on climate change is not settled.

The BBC's environment analyst Roger Harrabin put questions to Professor Jones

N - When scientists say "the debate on climate change is over", what exactly do they mean - and what don't they mean?

J – “It would be supposition on my behalf to know whether all scientists who say the debate is over are saying that for the same reason. I don't believe the vast majority of climate scientists think this. This is not my view. There is still much that needs to be undertaken to reduce uncertainties, not just for the future, but for the instrumental (and especially the palaeoclimatic) past as well.”

If a leading AGW scientist is not sure! Does that make him a denier?
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Yep.
They eat their own.
 
Haig said:
The debate on climate change is not settled.

The BBC's environment analyst Roger Harrabin put questions to Professor Jones

N - When scientists say "the debate on climate change is over", what exactly do they mean - and what don't they mean?

J – “It would be supposition on my behalf to know whether all scientists who say the debate is over are saying that for the same reason. I don't believe the vast majority of climate scientists think this. This is not my view. There is still much that needs to be undertaken to reduce uncertainties, not just for the future, but for the instrumental (and especially the palaeoclimatic) past as well.”

If a leading AGW scientist is not sure! Does that make him a denier?
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In the same interview Jones acknowledges to being convinced that recent warming was predominantly anthropogenic. He also implies that the evidence is strong enough to make this conclusion unreasonable to deny by anyone. You must misunderstand the scope of the uncertainties he alludes to. Those are not about global warming being real and mostly anthropogenic, obviously.
 
Maximus

I just wanted to pass along a great website - Skeptical Science: Examining Global Warming Skepticism - which is an index of common claims against GW and effective counter-arguments. This is very similar in format to the famous Index to Creationist Claims by Talk Origins. There's even a free app available at I-Tunes, which I've already used on a few occasions to set someone straight about the science of GW in the few days I've had it on my I-Touch.
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It is NOTHING like talk origins.

The evolution debate is easy to follow and except for a very few fringe issues totally solved by science.

EVERY argument for AGW boils down to this…

We don’t know why the planet is warming
CO2 causes warming
CO2 (therefore man) is the culprit.

This in spite of the FACT that NEVER at any level can CO2 be shown to cause the warming that is attributed to it.

Now I admit to a horrible feeling that I am being a creationist over this issue.. but why is it SOOO easy for me to see how evolution works.. so easy for me to debunk all other conspiracies.. so easy to cut through other woo and superstition.. yet this one leaves me stumped.

I am NOT religious
I am NOT a republican
I have NO vested interest in whether AGW is true or not.

I have never seen anything that would convince and honest analytical person that AGW is real !
 
Aussie Thinker said:
Maximus

EVERY argument for AGW boils down to this…

We don’t know why the planet is warming
CO2 causes warming
CO2 (therefore man) is the culprit.

This in spite of the FACT that NEVER at any level can CO2 be shown to cause the warming that is attributed to it.
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I thought this was shown by Arrhenius in 1896, although his initial calculations have been refined a bit and water vapor feedback is better understood now.

What makes you think CO2 can't be shown to cause warming at any level? Most of your fellow skeptics think this to be a straw man put forth by their opponents.
 
A denier I argue with on another board refuses to click on links to that site. That alone is a good indicator of what an excellent site it is. ;)
 
Perhaps you could all try staying at least vaguely on topic for once?
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