"Skeptical Science" Website on Global Warming

Aussie Thinker said:
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Ok you got me there.. its obviously beyond me.. but why is evolution so easy to understand.. Im not a biologist or a anthropologist etc ?



Yep ok its warming !



No almost none.. CO2 followed warming, except for perhaps the Permian Extinction episode which involved massive releases of CO2 from the Siberian traps (I think on the order of 10 to 20 times what it is today)



Simple but hard to explain simply ?



The trouble is the models are the only things that show CO2 is to blame and the models are created around the premise that CO2 is to blame.. circular reasoning or what !



If you really delve into what the experts agree on it is this..

We cannot find a natural cause for the warming that is happening

The next bit (man made) is pure extrapolation (which Im not knocking.. that’s what good scientist should do)… but they haven’t shown to me how yet.
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Do you deny this has all been explained to you?
 
Why does the American political right tend to deny AGW? My guess is that it is the same reason that creationists also have political traction from the right. It was not always so, but the political right has tended toward an anti-science (and even an anti-intellectual) mentality. Decades ago it seems that the right was the political driver of science and technology; I have no idea why that has changed, but it seems to be related to religious fundamentalism and its tie to the political right.

In any case, regarding AGW denial, I believe the science is too complex for a layman (at least for this one). I have a reasonable mathematics background and a fairly good grasp of science but I find that AGW evidence is ambiguous because of the well documented very long term changes in the earths climate. However, I do not deny its reality because I have confidence in the thousands of specialists working in the area.

When one looks at the sweeping changes in global climate over the 4.5 billions of years of the earth's existence, then look at the sweeping changes over a few hundred million years, then look at the sweeping changes over a few million years, then look at the changes over a few tens of thousands of years, then over the 3 or so millennia of human history -- it's easy to lose track of a tendency of a few decades. The case is not an easy one to make.

The public view seems to be strongly influenced by know-nothing deniers and conspiracy freaks. The science is virtually irrelevant for them and probably beyond their comprehension. The fact that popular culture in the US has a strong anti-science and an anti-intellectual element does not help -- in fact it fuels the flames for the "it's a left wing conspiracy to dominate the world" kind of thinking.
 
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Perpetual Student said:
In any case, regarding AGW denial, I believe the science is too complex for a layman (at least for this one). I have a reasonable mathematics background and a fairly good grasp of science but I find that AGW evidence is ambiguous because of the well documented very long term changes in the earths climate. However, I do not deny it's reality because I have confidence in the thousands of specialists working in the area.
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That's the biggest hurdle right there. Since it is such a complex scientific topic, there is a lot of confusion & ignorance about it. And those with an agenda take advantage of that.
 
a_unique_person said:
http://www.arm.gov/instruments/skyrad

The ipcc scientists assumed that something that has been known for over century did not have to be explained. You can even buy your own pyrgeometer.
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Uh huh.. next you'll claim that there are experiments showing that this process has been observed and replicated.....

Admit it, scientists are really sorcerers and use magic all the time to make these things happen.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Uh huh.. next you'll claim that there are experiments showing that this process has been observed and replicated.....

Admit it, scientists are really sorcerers and use magic all the time to make these things happen.
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Damn, you found us out. Now I am going to have to conjure a demon and send it after you.

I had PLANS for this afternoon you have just ruined, so its gonna be a NASTY little devil.
 
thaiboxerken said:
Uh huh.. next you'll claim that there are experiments showing that this process has been observed and replicated.....

Admit it, scientists are really sorcerers and use magic all the time to make these things happen.
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Cartoon Dioxide is the cause, I say.
 
Perpetual Student said:
Why does the American political right tend to deny AGW? (snip)
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It’s not confined to the US. The conservatives in Australia are dominated by doubters (deniers). Of course the left wing here has always been fairly strongly allied with the greens so that might partially explain the difference.

Good post BTW.
 
I think I’m just a product of my own frustration.

I pride myself on being able to understand things.

I have researched this heavily and honestly find there is NO clear cut link between CO2 and our current warming.

When I don’t understand the default position is normally .. go with the experts.

But the experts in this case seem to have a very wishy washy consensus …

I dunno why I let it worry me.. I am damn sure that there WILL be a total consensus in the next few years AND they will have easy to understand explanations as to why things happen.

Trouble is at the moment my bullsh... meter rings loudly at AGW !
 
Aussie Thinker said:
I think I’m just a product of my own frustration.

I pride myself on being able to understand things.

I have researched this heavily and honestly find there is NO clear cut link between CO2 and our current warming.

When I don’t understand the default position is normally .. go with the experts.

But the experts in this case seem to have a very wishy washy consensus …

I dunno why I let it worry me.. I am damn sure that there WILL be a total consensus in the next few years AND they will have easy to understand explanations as to why things happen.

Trouble is at the moment my bullsh... meter rings loudly at AGW !
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Hey Aussie, do you deny that the questions you asked were all explained to you? Yes or no?
 
Trouble is at the moment my ******** meter rings loudly at AGW !


GreyICE said:
Hey Aussie, do you deny that the questions you asked were all explained to you? Yes or no?
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Hey Aussie, do you deny that your ******** meter rings loudly at hearing the aforementioned explanations of the questions you asked? Yes or no?
 
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Aussie Thinker said:
But the experts in this case seem to have a very wishy washy consensus …
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What do you mean? You may want to skim over these, especially the first one.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/reprint/306/5702/1686.pdf
http://www.aaas.org/news/press_room/climate_change/mtg_200702/aaas_climate_statement.pdf
http://www.ametsoc.org/POLICY/climatechangeresearch_2003.html
http://www.agu.org/outreach/science...i/International_Union_for_Quaternary_Research
http://www.interacademycouncil.net/CMS/Reports/11840/11842.aspx
http://www.euro-acad.eu/downloads/memoranda/lets_be_honest_-_festplenum_03.03.07_-_final2.pdf
http://www.caets.org/nae/naecaets.nsf/(weblinks)/WSAN-78QL9A?OpenDocument
http://www.interacademies.net/Object.File/Master/4/825/NASAC G8 statement 07 - low res.pdf
http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/Site/news/media_releases/2008/clim0708.aspx
http://www.aktualnosci.pan.pl/images/stories/pliki/stanowiska_opinie/2008/stanowisko_pan_131207.pdf
http://portal.acs.org/portal/acs/co...1&__uuid=0cbd57b5-5766-456d-800b-680b88c1c8bf
http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...papers&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari
http://www.esf.org/publications/position-papers.html
 
Aussie Thinker said:
I think I’m just a product of my own frustration.

I pride myself on being able to understand things.

I have researched this heavily and honestly find there is NO clear cut link between CO2 and our current warming.

When I don’t understand the default position is normally .. go with the experts.

But the experts in this case seem to have a very wishy washy consensus …

I dunno why I let it worry me.. I am damn sure that there WILL be a total consensus in the next few years AND they will have easy to understand explanations as to why things happen.

Trouble is at the moment my bullsh... meter rings loudly at AGW !
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Your problem is really quite obvious. You are in possession of an illegal, dangerous weapon of mas distraction - the ******** meter.

Please immediately hand this over to the authorities and report for reprogramming and social conformance retraining.

For starters, enroll in


  • Swapping Regional and Global for Tactical Advantage
  • Practicing Alarmist Attribution - Hot is Cold and Cold is Hot
  • Using the Latest Weather Event as Proof
  • Denying Solar - It's Co2, Co2, Co2
  • Insulting Tactics of Planet Gore
  • Polar Bears - Their Proper Place in Proper Propaganda
  • Cartoon Dioxide - The Evil Villian is the Capitalists
  • Creating Consensus - Locating, compiling, presenting and promoting Consensus Science
  • Selection of peers for Peer Review
  • Talking Tree Rings - Telecommunications across the globe and millenia
  • Fear through Floods -
  • Near Term Nightmares - Push these Apocalyptic Hot Buttons
  • The Glacier Gambit is Good!
  • Hurricane Nation - Get two for one, blame Bush and Global Warming with this one
  • Slashing Scientific Discussion - The "Science is Settled" Spin Technique
  • Spinning the Snakes - The Giant Snake Invasion Ploy
  • Using Big Numbers in Alarmist Agiprop - is Hundreds of Millions or Billions better?
  • SUVs vs The Ideal of the New Primitive Man
  • Watermelon Is Us: Let the Green Hid the Red
  • Using Saul Alinsky Arguments
  • Misrepresenting the Denier and Reframing his Argument
  • Parrot Is Us: Using pro AGW scripts on the web to Debate without any Thinking
  • Ad Hoc Redefinition of Denier to suit Argument of the Moment
  • Using Conspiracy Allegations to Ridicule the Ad Hoc Denier

But first of all get to a class in...


  • Hiding the Decline
 
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