VisionFromFeeling - General discussion thread

But the first para I've quoted screams of post-rationalisation
Nopes. Immediately after trial 1 I told everyone at the IIG test that I knew my answer in trial 1 would be incorrect. Immediately after trial 2 I could not stop enthusing about how confident I was in my answer from trial 2 and that were I to be incorrect in trial 2 I would be fully convinced that I could not do this. And after trial 3 I was telling everyone that I was wrong again. These accounts are recorded on the UStream video and in IIG member Steve's film and on my draft papers that are with the IIG still and the IIG members know what I told them. Sorry it is not post-rationalisation. It was done well in advance of any results.

and the second indicates that whatever the result you'll simply come up with another reason as to why you failed because (as you've stated before) you know you detected the Doctor's missing kidney and nothing will change your view on that.
Nope. I clearly stated and it is on the UStream video that would I be incorrect in trial 2 the claim would be fully falsified.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjOVRZTV_PI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBtPUzaWKHY

Once I make a perception that is fully convincing and compelling and it turns out to be incorrect the claim will then be over, but that has yet to happen. Meanwhile I do not hold detecting Dr. Carlson's kidney being missing as evidence to prove an extrasensory perception. To establish such an ability would require repeated successful trials and in a test environment.

Why are you so obsessed with this to the point of denial of the facts / most likely explanations?
Because I detected Dr. Carlson's kidney being missing and because I knew trial 2 was correct and that trials 1 and 3 were incorrect, and because once a Skeptic lied to me and said that he is missing a kidney and asked me to tell him which one it was, and I was clearly seeing both of them and I told him that my claim is over because I was clearly seeing both of them but then he told me that he was only joking.

You appear to be fairly intelligent, young, physically attractive...
Intelligent yes but young and physically attractive are totally irrelevant as to my paranormal claim or conclusions.

You appear to have loads going for you but come across as a sad, deluded attention seeker who's seriously missing something in her life.
I am very sad to say that my claim is genuine and I do not seem to be deluded or a liar and I am definitely not doing this for attention especially since the attention I receive is entirely negative and highly uncomfortable and hurtful at times, yet it does not change that I still need involvement in Skepticism in order to fully investigate my claim. My genuine experiences of accurate medical perception in cases where I shouldn't have known what I knew compel me to continue investigating it and nothing you say or do can beat me away from it. I have the experiences, you only have your prejudice and assumptions, so if our conclusions differ then that is why.

Note, I don't say that you are that, just that that is the impression you give. Forget chasing this Chimera - maybe you do occasionally have insight but, if so, it's not reliable enough to detect in what you yourself agreed was a fair trial so it's of no practical purpose.
I do not aspire a practical purpose, I am merely investigating an interesting experience.

Split your time between your studies (which should yield more than enough intellectual stimulus) and a healthy social life, chalk the 'missing kidney insight' up as one of those bizarre things that we all experience something like now and again* and get on with your life.
My paranormal investigation is part of my life, and once I've concluded on my claim I will focus my attention to paranormal claims made by others and investigate those as exhaustively and unto completion to which no Skeptic nor woo could object to the conclusions acchieved. Plenty of people engage in professional life and social life but with a healthy interesting engagement in Skepticism.

Just my fatherly advice (I have 3 daughters) - feel free to ignore (they usually do ;o).
Thank you for well-meaning advice, and I really do listen, just that I am so stubborn since I know what I've experienced and it can not be attributed to delusion, lies, or false memory, and now some of it is on tape.

*As an example, whilst I know some people have suggested false memory for your 'missing kidney insight' I believe there's an even more likely explanation - you'd heard about his missing kidney before but didn't consciously remember it...but the thought was there in your mind.
Truly. Recently in a conversation with a Skeptic I acknowledged to him that of course this could be the case and I have to admit to the possibility, but that could be true for anything we think we know or experience. But Dr. Carlson said that he hadn't mentioned it before me and said that the only way I would have known is if I would have read it somewhere, and I hadn't read it anywhere.

Thanks for your concerns, meanwhile there still is a claim and an investigation. If it irritates you then please just step back and do not participate, you can not discourage me from it. I will have a perception that is compelling to the point where I can say that if it is incorrect I am convinced that my claim is over, and if and when such a perception then is incorrect I will be happy to end this claim and continue with investigating the other woos.
 
Oh I see so now the claim was failed beacuse

1) Tiredeness
2) Some people are larger than other people
3) You didn't fail because you knew when you were correct and when you were incorrect

How exactly have you never encountered this 'largeness' issue before? In all your many, many 'successful' readings?
Never? Not once, and never mentioned it anywhere ion your reams of text?

Maybe because it is a brand new made up piece of stupid nonsense to explain your lack of any paranormal ability?

And the confidence over knowing when you were correct and incorrect is totally ludicrous otherwise you would have... changed your answer.
Can I falsify the claim by giving the wrong answer in a trial when I already "knew" that my answer in that trial would be wrong?
If you really had known the answer would be wrong you would have changed it to be correct. So this is also a brand new made up piece of stupid nonsense.

This is pathetic.

The pattern is now clear.

You will have failed test after failed test (as you have been doing) and each time will make up a new excuse for failing such as:

The room too cold/there was a draught
My own 'logic' overruled my correct answer and made me say an incorrect answer
I knew the correct answer even though I said an incorrect answer
I got it wrong but I knew I was getting it wrong
The person was large and I read larger people more slowly which I didn't know despite all my many other readings which were never incorrect
etc. ad nauseam

You will continue to have failed tests and make up stupid and transparent excuses until eventually, simply through the law of averages, you will have one test that produces results apparently above chance.

Curiously you will have no complaint about any of the conditions of that test and start screaming 'Look at me! Look at me! I am right! I am special!'

But sadly for you, you have already failed so many times now in so many ways that you have already rendered any seemiginly significant result easily dismissable due to chance.

There is nothing going on here.
Nothing interesting to investigate.
None of your many, many claims has held any water whatsoever.

And we can look back on your previous claims of 'Never been incorrect' with a medical perception and simply laugh at them now.
It is very clear those claims were never anywhere near true.
 
Hello Skeptics, hello Anita.
I am merely investigating an interesting experience.
Do you mean:
Today I am able to see all molecules, atoms, electrons, electrical and magnetic fields, gravity, and more. Facing any object or situation, I sense all information of it.
from your "letter from Alenara"?

It's only interesting if you actually have such an experience. Until now, there is no indication that you did.
 
Nope. I clearly stated and it is on the UStream video that would I be incorrect in trial 2 the claim would be fully falsified.

Wow, this is so utterly dishonest that words fail me.

You stated clearly that if you would fail the IIG test, you claim would be falsified. You said it here, in this forum.

Now you try to change the rules, after the test procedure was finally worked out, simply to increase you chance to 50/50.

Again, _you_ said here, before the test, that failing the test will falsify your claim. Now you are wiggling and twisting, just to make the negative result a positive one.

This is a truly disgusting dishonesty. By doing so you betrayed each end everyone who invested even a minute of his/her time to help you with the protocol and test.

Once I make a perception that is fully convincing and compelling and it turns out to be incorrect the claim will then be over, but that has yet to happen. Meanwhile I do not hold detecting Dr. Carlson's kidney being missing as evidence to prove an extrasensory perception. To establish such an ability would require repeated successful trials and in a test environment.

You _did_ have a test to detect kidneys. You _did_ fail that test. The claim _is_ over. I repeat myself here, but acting the way do is dishonest.

Add to that the fact that you originally claimed that such "visions" would be immediate. However, for the test, and now afterwards, you insist that it takes quite some time for these "visions" to form. This is nothing more than a crude and blatant attempt to give you even more excuses for your failure. Like "uhh, it took so long, so i wasn't really fit anymore at the third test."

I can only hope that whoever thinks about doing a test with you, will find this thread an UY's website, so they can avoid wasting a huge amount of resources and time for someone who treats the people involved with such dishonesty.
 
Hello Skeptics, hello Anita.

Do you mean:
Today I am able to see all molecules, atoms, electrons, electrical and magnetic fields, gravity, and more. Facing any object or situation, I sense all information of it.
from your "letter from Alenara"?

It's only interesting if you actually have such an experience. Until now, there is no indication that you did.


I disagree. I find it fascinating. It's interesting that a person can be so fully detached from reality in one segment of their life, and still have the wherewithal to go through the motions of what we think of as normal living in other areas of their life. How a person could live so deeply wrapped in a delusion like Anita's and still have what it takes to tie their own shoes and feed themselves without dribbling intrigues the hell out of me.
 
Crazy. It feels awkward to say "I have a BS". For the time and money you'd think they could throw an extra buck or two to the printers for the extra "c". I guess the tradition probably predates the alternate and commonly accepted meaning for BS.
Oh well, keep working hard on your B.S.
 
I am investigating only two claims, one made by me and one made by a man whom I attempted to treat for migraines. One claim is that of seemingly accurate health perceptions in cases where it should not be possible to access this information by ordinary known senses of perception, ie. suggesting some still undetermined source of the information, other reason for apparent accuracy, or new form of extrasensory perception. The objective of that investigation is not to either prove a psychic ability or to disprove a psychic ability but to learn more about this until the experience is fully understood, and contrary to your assumptions I do welcome a simple, wordly explanation, but regrettably those are not delusion or lies.

The other of the two claims is that made by a man whom I attempted to treat for migraines. He claims significant improvement that coincided with the time of the treatment. I remain the greatest skeptic to his accounts and thus hope to find skeptics who have migraines so that I can attempt again and with them, show that there is no coincidal effect and thus provide from this inquiry a documented example of falsified woo of the healing kind.
 
I am investigating only two claims, one made by me and one made by a man whom I attempted to treat for migraines. One claim is that of seemingly accurate health perceptions in cases where it should not be possible to access this information by ordinary known senses of perception, ie. suggesting some still undetermined source of the information, other reason for apparent accuracy, or new form of extrasensory perception. The objective of that investigation is not to either prove a psychic ability or to disprove a psychic ability but to learn more about this until the experience is fully understood, and contrary to your assumptions I do welcome a simple, wordly explanation, but regrettably those are not delusion or lies.


That is a claim. You are claiming that your experience is not delusion or lies. Several of us here have been refuting your claim. If you had the remotest understanding of how the scientific method works, you'd acknowledge that your claim is a bare, unsupported assertion unless you've gone through a vigorous analysis of your mental health by a qualified professional in the field of mental health. Have you?
 
Wow, this is so utterly dishonest that words fail me. You stated clearly that if you would fail the IIG test, you claim would be falsified. You said it here, in this forum. Now you try to change the rules, after the test procedure was finally worked out, simply to increase you chance to 50/50. Again, _you_ said here, before the test, that failing the test will falsify your claim. Now you are wiggling and twisting, just to make the negative result a positive one. This is a truly disgusting dishonesty. By doing so you betrayed each end everyone who invested even a minute of his/her time to help you with the protocol and test.
Watch your language! If you are attempting to demonstrate something and the part of you that is used to attempt that skill stops working then how are you supposed to be able to show what you are capable of doing while you are working properly? If I get exhausted by trial 3 and the perceptions which are the center of the claim under study, stops working, then how is anything produced testing that claim when that claim is not producing?

As for unexpected effects from test conditions that affect the performance of the claim what is wrong with correcting for that new discovered parameter and setting up another test to then confirm or reject the suggestion that such a parameter reduced the performance of the claim? If it takes me longer to see into larger persons and I had not had that experience of reading into larger persons before then how does that falsify a claim? It refines the claim, by now saying that with larger subjects the claim requires more time to work.

If it were a true ability and it truly does take longer with larger persons then that would still be a very interesting ability which deserves to be discovered.

The only consequence of my rejection of falsification at this point is that another test will be arranged. Not to challenge the results of the IIG test, but to add to those. Besides, the next test will be even more rigorous. Less cold reading and visual information will be available, and I do expect that a better test procedure is to not reveal to me the predetermined number of targets among a group of subjects.

I am quite willing to falsify the claim, but, "not because Skeptics said so". The claim is truly not falsified, but then again, nor is it verified. Your dismissal and discouragement of independent investigations into paranormal claims is what is disgusting, dear. As Skeptics you are supposed to be supporters of science, and science is based on experimental data and observations, which, of course, does require repeated trials and under consequent adjustments of test parameters to acchieve a clearer conclusion of a presented claim or hypothesis.

Don't you know that woos are emailing me telling me that the IIG cheated? And about believing that I am a true psychic, or asking me for psychic readings? I am trying to show with my website that I do have a claim but that it is not verified, and I want to acchieve a proper falsification that convinces everyone, whether a Skeptic or a woo.

And why are you arguing at me? How many people make paranormal claims about being psychic, having healing abilities, receiving messages, etc, and they do not even want to submit their claims to testing. At least I am testing my claim. Most woos won't ever collaborate with Skeptics, and I am only collaborating with Skeptics, not with any woos. How many claimants talk about having a test and never do? How many would avoid having a Skeptically designed test at every cost? I was thrilled to have a test with the IIG, and I am actually one of the very few claimants who followed through with having a test! And out of those few that do follow through with having a Skeptical test, how many turn around and accuse the Skeptics of cheating, or of having influenced their results with bad energy? I have taken full responsibility for my results and for failing the two out of three trials and I am constantly having to tell woos that the IIG didn't cheat and that I failed fair and square!

How many other woos can you count who have done what I have? Please, give me a list. I would like to read it. I would like to think that I have done more than most woos would and that my work is in alignment with what skepticism would ask of a woo.

Meanwhile there is Brent Atwater, just an hour or so away from here, performing intuitive medical readings quite similar to what my claim entails and at a whopping price of $1,580.00. Meanwhile I only read Skeptics and at no cost at all.

So why are you always attacking me? I am actually taking the effort to work with Skeptics. Why am I always under attack? Please focus your frustrations on those other woos who are comfortable with making unverified claims and charging people high amounts of money for sharing those without giving any consideration to verification or rational skeptical inquiry into their claims.

Sometimes I wonder if I am under attack as some sort of symbol for all of woo, but then you should rather seek out those that frustrate you the most, because surely it can't be me. Which kind of woo is doing more harm? Surely it can't be me.

You _did_ have a test to detect kidneys. You _did_ fail that test. The claim _is_ over. I repeat myself here, but acting the way do is dishonest.
The claim is not over. I said immediately after each of trial 1 and 3 that something went wrong and that I knew that my answers in those trials were not representative of my claim and that those answers would be incorrect. Meanwhile I felt highly confident in my performance in trial 2 to the point of putting my entire claim on the line, clearly stating that the claim is falsified if I am to be incorrect in that trial.

Scientific research does not insist on forming final conclusions quickly or within only a few repeated trials. Scientific research depends on repeated trials and under continuously tweaked test procedures. A scientist doesn't simply hurry up and make one short series of tests to either acchieve the indication of falsification or of verification and then to hurry along and publish those as a final conclusion. Such work would likely not be published unless it specifically focuses on the study of a phenomenon during those specific sets of conditions. But to work to either verify or to falsify a hypothesis, in which the surrounding test conditions that best enable it to manifest have not been fully established, it does take repeated trials and under continuously improved testing conditions, so to approach and to narrow down toward a reliable final conclusion.

I approach my investigation in a scientific manner.

Add to that the fact that you originally claimed that such "visions" would be immediate. However, for the test, and now afterwards, you insist that it takes quite some time for these "visions" to form. This is nothing more than a crude and blatant attempt to give you even more excuses for your failure. Like "uhh, it took so long, so i wasn't really fit anymore at the third test."
Unfortunately what you say here is entirely unfounded and biased. In the past when I walk by a person and a medical perception appears on its own, such a perception appears immediately. Most of my experience with the claimed perceptions occur during an everyday situation, in which such perceptions occur spontaneously, and I do not perceive information from every person and at every time in such spontaneous situations. But when it comes to sitting down and making the effort to see something on demand, it is entirely different, and that is when individual differences appear that make certain perceptions easier to form on demand and others to be harder to form.

My experience of my claim is mostly based on everyday experience. It is not like I am doing psychic readings and experiencing what it is like to do this on demand or what it is like to do this often. Perceptions that appear on their own do so spontaneously and immediately. If I choose to search for the information it may take longer.

Luckily I took very elaborate and careful notes on my fatigue in trial 3 on the draft papers, that are signed by myself and James Underdown and are stapled to the back of the answer sheet of that trial. These papers are still with the IIG. Once copies are posted you will see that my excuse of fatigue is not something given after the fact but done well in advance at the very early beginning of trial 3. Meanwhile you should learn to state your suspicions as suggestions rather than as definite fact. It is better to say that "I think you might be making this up" rather than to say that "I know you are making this up". A good Skeptic is supposed to represent science, and even a scientist can not be full of bias and prejudice like what you have shown here. You are so certain of your negative accusations against my conduct in my investigation that you are blindly convinced of those to be true, when in fact I am showing you that several of them are easily proven to be incorrect. Objectivity and openness are very crucial parts of Skepticism. Don't make a woo teach you how to be a Skeptic, now.

I can only hope that whoever thinks about doing a test with you, will find this thread an UY's website, so they can avoid wasting a huge amount of resources and time for someone who treats the people involved with such dishonesty.
How dare you? I am one of the very few woos who actually goes ahead and has a test. My communication with the IIG was very pleasant and polite. I was quite grateful and appreciative of their work. I have not said a single mean thing about the IIG and meanwhile I am complimenting them for their beautiful work. If I was a bad woo I would be out there giving psychic readings. And did you know I have a woo book written that is highly coveted in certain parts of the woo community and I could potentially make millions from the woo products that I could offer and that many have been asking me to complete and to make available. But instead I have chosen to step back from woo, and to investigate all woo, and I would rather be poor than make that easy but highly unscientific immoral money from woo.

You are sincerely targeting your frustrations of woo on the wrong person. I hope that one day you can see that.
 
I disagree. I find it fascinating. It's interesting that a person can be so fully detached from reality in one segment of their life, and still have the wherewithal to go through the motions of what we think of as normal living in other areas of their life. How a person could live so deeply wrapped in a delusion like Anita's and still have what it takes to tie their own shoes and feed themselves without dribbling intrigues the hell out of me.
The irony of it all is that I actually did detect that Dr. Carlson was missing a left kidney and that my answer in trial 2 - AS I SAID CLEARLY ON THE TAPE AND TO EVERYONE AT THE TEST - represented what my claim can do when it performs. SAID IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIAL AND WELL BEFORE THE RESULTS WERE IN.

It is IRONIC I tell you!!! Sorry for yelling with the CapsLock but sometimes it is necessary. :)

Immediately following trial 2

Also during the break between trial 2 and 3

Some time before the results are to be established (and Mark Edward offers me a peanutbutter cup!)
 
I am investigating only two claims, one made by me and one made by a man whom I attempted to treat for migraines.


Regardless of what YOU are investigating, I am investigating all of your claims.

Retract them ALL and my investigation is complete.


One claim is that of seemingly accurate health perceptions in cases where it should not be possible to access this information by ordinary known senses of perception,


What health perceptions? Be specific. Counting kidneys, even if you could do it, which you can't, is not a perception of health.

Do you understand this?


ie. suggesting some still undetermined source of the information, other reason for apparent accuracy, or new form of extrasensory perception.


There is no apparent accuracy. You failed to make it appear. I watched you fail.


The objective of that investigation is not to either prove a psychic ability or to disprove a psychic ability but to learn more about this until the experience is fully understood, and contrary to your assumptions I do welcome a simple, wordly explanation, but regrettably those are not delusion or lies.


What investigation?

As to the experience being understood - it is. By everyone but you.


The other of the two claims is that made by a man whom I attempted to treat for migraines.


Is it legal for you, with no medical qualifications whatsoever, to attempt to treat migraines? If 'yes' explain the basis for your answer, if 'no' then explain why you are not bound by the law.


He claims significant improvement that coincided with the time of the treatment.


Naturally, you will be able to provide evidence for this extraordinary claim. Please do so.


I remain the greatest skeptic to his accounts . . .


Rubbish. I don't believe a word of it, therefore you are not the greatest skeptic at all. I'll hazard a guess, and say you're not even on a list of the top billion.


. . . and thus hope to find skeptics who have migraines so that I can attempt again . . .


To flout regulations and moral strictures.


. . . and with them, show that there is no coincidal effect and thus provide from this inquiry a documented example of falsified woo of the healing kind.


Redundant. We already know that there is no 'coincidal effect'. Even if there was such a word as 'coincidal', there still wouldn't be any of it.


Waenre
 
I disagree. I find it fascinating. It's interesting that a person can be so fully detached from reality in one segment of their life, ...

We are in agreement here. I simply make a distinction between the claimed "interesting experience" and the underlying psychological circumstances leading to such claims.
But again, we are in agreement. I find that fascinating as well.
 
I am investigating only two claims, one made by me and one made by a man whom I attempted to treat for migraines. One claim is that of seemingly accurate health perceptions in cases where it should not be possible to access this information by ordinary known senses of perception, ie. suggesting some still undetermined source of the information, other reason for apparent accuracy, or new form of extrasensory perception. The objective of that investigation is not to either prove a psychic ability or to disprove a psychic ability but to learn more about this until the experience is fully understood, and contrary to your assumptions I do welcome a simple, wordly explanation, but regrettably those are not delusion or lies.

The other of the two claims is that made by a man whom I attempted to treat for migraines. He claims significant improvement that coincided with the time of the treatment. I remain the greatest skeptic to his accounts and thus hope to find skeptics who have migraines so that I can attempt again and with them, show that there is no coincidal effect and thus provide from this inquiry a documented example of falsified woo of the healing kind.

You understand that the outcome of your trial does not come anywhere near your claim? You also understand that the trial itself was to prove or disprove your claims, not a training exercise?
Things you claim now that would invalidate the meaning of the results, in this case that you do not have the claimed ability, are things you should have known BEFORE the actual trial.
As said before, why didn't bodymass or exhaustion come up as limitations before? If we are to believe your claims now they had a massive impact on the outcome of the trial but not before.
This suggests to me that all the arguments you come up with now are rationalisations that help to shield you from the impact the nonexistance of your claimed abilities. But lying to yourself and then selling that to skeptics will only land you in deeper ****. Better come to terms with not having these superpowers and then get on with your life.
 
The irony of it all is that I actually did detect that Dr. Carlson was missing a left kidney and that my answer in trial 2 - AS I SAID CLEARLY ON THE TAPE AND TO EVERYONE AT THE TEST - represented what my claim can do when it performs. SAID IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE TRIAL AND WELL BEFORE THE RESULTS WERE IN.


And I got the exact same results on the test as you did. What sort of special abilities or magical powers do you suppose I have? And I knew Dr. Carlson's kidney was missing after he told us it was missing, exactly as you did. What sort of magical powers do you suppose I have? Would you suggest that everyone who guesses something as good or bad as you do should undergo some sort of testing to determine if they have the same magical powers you believe you have?
 
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I approach my investigation in a scientific manner.

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No, you do not. Your subjectivity means that you lack the abillity to do so.

This has always been a basic and fatal flaw of your entire approach to your misplaced belief that you have sooper powerz.

You cannot, in any way, shape or form be both the subject and conductress of any investigation.

Your insistence that you can has undermined all of your claims from day dot, and continues to do so. It also undermines your credibility as a 'science student'.

Whatever it is that you're doing, to call it an 'investigation' is only fooling one person and your bolded, all-caps rants are unlikely to do anything other than worsen that situation, if such a thing is even possible.
 
Watch your language!

I am doing so already. If i would not, and instead had written directly what my thoughts are, my post would surely not have gotten approved.

If you are attempting to demonstrate something and the part of you that is used to attempt that skill stops working then how are you supposed to be able to show what you are capable of doing while you are working properly? If I get exhausted by trial 3 and the perceptions which are the center of the claim under study, stops working, then how is anything produced testing that claim when that claim is not producing?

Because you "getting exhausted" is in direct contradiction to what you state otherwise: That your perceptions come immediately, that they are some kind of automatic. If they would then be that exhausting, you would be back into bed after spending half an hour outside.

As for unexpected effects from test conditions that affect the performance of the claim what is wrong with correcting for that new discovered parameter and setting up another test to then confirm or reject the suggestion that such a parameter reduced the performance of the claim?

If corrections and adjustments in test protocols are done to eliminate sources of error and bias, then nothing is wrong with it.

However, it is pretty obvious to everyone that you change the tests because you are unhappy with the outcome, because it does not fit with your expectations.

The only consequence of my rejection of falsification at this point is that another test will be arranged.

No. The only consequence is that you have shown by rejecting the outcome is that you are dishonest. After all, you stated _clearly_ and _before_ the test that a failed test will falsify your claim.

You not doing so makes you dishonest and a liar.

Less cold reading and visual information will be available, and I do expect that a better test procedure is to not reveal to me the predetermined number of targets among a group of subjects.

Wow. So you intend to implement (some of) the measures, that we told you right from the start, should be implemented, but that you refused to implement because of whatever handwaiving reason you had at that time?

That simply adds more dishonesty to the already existing dishonesty.

I am quite willing to falsify the claim,

That is an obvious lie. Why do we know? Because you already did the exact opposite of what you said you would do if you fail the test.

Again, you are simply giving even more evidence for the fact that you are lying.

... dear.

Refrain from calling me "dear" or anything like that. I do not want, and never will, be some "dear" of someone so dishonest and lying.

How many people make paranormal claims about being psychic, having healing abilities, receiving messages, etc, and they do not even want to submit their claims to testing. At least I am testing my claim. Most woos won't ever collaborate with Skeptics, ..... How many other woos can you count who have done what I have? Please, give me a list.

What a stupid load of, well, you can guess what i mean.

Just for your information, here are quire some who did as you do.

You are _absolutely_nothing_special_ here. The only thing that makes you really special so far is the dishonesty and lies that you show.

So why are you always attacking me? I am actually taking the effort to work with Skeptics. Why am I always under attack?

Because you are showing extreme dishonesty and malice towards people who want to help you (or did help you already).

This wall of text of yours is just a great example again. You wiggle around, tap-dancing around the truth, and start to spill more lies and wrong assumptions. And all that just so you gain more publicity.

The claim is not over.

According to the statements that _you_ did _before_ the actual test, yes, it is. See, here is your dishonesty again.

Remainder of useless babble and wiggle removed for the sanity of the readers

Really, get a grip on reality. You are doing yourself a big disservice by the way you behave. That you are so reluctant to a grasp about what it going on just confirms our all suspicions about you. You are doing exactly nothing to counter that, quite the opposite.

Greetings,

Chris
 
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It is IRONIC I tell you!!! Sorry for yelling with the CapsLock but sometimes it is necessary. :)

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No, it's never necessary. It's childlike and petulant and because of it I refuse to watch your videos, although considering that they undoubtedly only show you failing the IIG demonstration, which I've seen numerous times, it's unlikely that I would have bothered anyway.

You need to remember the nature of this venue, Vision from Feeling, and recall that juvenile nonsense will always receive short shrift, particularly if, as is the case here, it is unredeemed and unassuaged by at least being mildly funny.

None of this is funny any more. It's high tragedy, made worse by the fact that you believe anything good will ever come of it.

The only good that could ever have ensued from this odyssey might have been that you learned from your mistake and moved on, but I fear that it is far too late for even that consolation now, and the die is cast forever.

And before you start up with the all-caps ranting again about how I'm picking on you instead of your 'investigation' remember that you set yourself up as its subject, and are therefore, yourself, the subject of my investigation.


Waenre
 

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