Do you think Pontius Pilate met Jesus when the Roman senator and historian Tacitus reported that Christ received the ultimate punishment from Pilate?
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Do you think Pontius Pilate met Jesus when the Roman senator and historian Tacitus reported that Christ received the ultimate punishment from Pilate?
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You're adding material that isn't there. Visions don't cause other people surrounding you to see a light that causes fear in them. As was reported happened to the people surrounding Paul on his way to Damascus.
You are bringing up Galatians and Paul talking about receiving knowledge from God.
This is different than the verses we were talking about in Acts where Paul is traveling to Damascus to persecute Christians with several other people when he and "other people" see a light. And this light causes the "other people" to have fear.
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Mate, people are trying to discuss stuff here. Will you please stop interrupting?
TIYA
Mate, people are trying to discuss stuff here. Will you please stop interrupting?
TIYA
I don't agree on that. Because apostle and former skeptic Paul (who wrote 13 books in the Bible) came in contact with Jesus on the Road to Damascus. And Luke reports Paul had a meeting with Peter for 2 weeks. Do you think Peter met the Christ the Roman historian and senator Tactitus said received the ultimate punishment from Pontius Pilate?
And I've already brought in evidence that the apostles Matthew and John wrote the Gospels that have been attributed to them for 2000 years.
And your statement implies the first 14 people mentioned in Wiki's "List of Christian Martyrs" never knew Jesus which is absurd. People don't give their life for someone that supposedly lived in the city they live in and was supposedly crucified in the city they lived in during the time they lived there without knowing them.
And you never did answer if you think the Pontius Pilate whom the Roman historian Tacitus said gave Jesus the ultimate punishment ever met Jesus?
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Akhenaten
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If you must keep butting in, could you at least find something original?
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Kapyong
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Gday,
No, I think Jesus was a myth, and Pilate never met him.
(That's why Christian had to FORGE letters from Pilate about Jesus.)
Tacitus did NOT "report that Christ ..."
Instead, Tacitus reported the BELIEFS of Christians in the early 2nd century.
We can tell Tacitus is not using any Roman records because :
* he got Pilate's title wrong
* he got Jesus name incorrect
Doc -
you completely AVOIDED the issue :
How do YOU explain that not one Christian claimed to have personally met Jesus ?
Apart from the 2nd century forgery of 2 Peter - by then people were clearly charging Christians with following myths and fables, so a Christian felt he had to say
"we did NOT follow fables..."
Sceptics of this period DID say Christian beliefs were "myths", and "lies" and "fiction" etc.
K.
No, I think Jesus was a myth, and Pilate never met him.
(That's why Christian had to FORGE letters from Pilate about Jesus.)
Tacitus did NOT "report that Christ ..."
Instead, Tacitus reported the BELIEFS of Christians in the early 2nd century.
We can tell Tacitus is not using any Roman records because :
* he got Pilate's title wrong
* he got Jesus name incorrect
Doc -
you completely AVOIDED the issue :
How do YOU explain that not one Christian claimed to have personally met Jesus ?
Apart from the 2nd century forgery of 2 Peter - by then people were clearly charging Christians with following myths and fables, so a Christian felt he had to say
"we did NOT follow fables..."
Sceptics of this period DID say Christian beliefs were "myths", and "lies" and "fiction" etc.
K.
So then there probably was a powerful light that Paul and the other people with him saw?
Kapyong
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Gday,
I quoted the actual words of Paul FROM THE BIBLE !
You ignored it.
Paul says "appeared" - using Greek "opthe", meaning a VISION.
Bollocks
People DO see such VISIONS.
To this day.
Did they fall down?
Did they HEAR the voice?
You never address the obvious DIFFERENCES in these different stories - all written by someone ELSE than Paul.
Yes, Paul says clearly and specifically that his Gospel came from revelation and scripture.
It's exactly the same thing - a VISION.
Seeing a light?
That's practically the very definition of a "vision".
Told by SOMEONE else in 3 different versions?
Varying legends of someone ELSE's VISIONS ?!
So what?
So, like I said -
NOT ONE Christian claims to have met a historical Jesus personally.
I have dealt with this at length in this post :
"Who claimed to have met Jesus personally"
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167271
Will you address this issue ?
K.
I quoted the actual words of Paul FROM THE BIBLE !
You ignored it.
Paul says "appeared" - using Greek "opthe", meaning a VISION.
Bollocks
People DO see such VISIONS.
To this day.
Did they fall down?
Did they HEAR the voice?
You never address the obvious DIFFERENCES in these different stories - all written by someone ELSE than Paul.
Yes, Paul says clearly and specifically that his Gospel came from revelation and scripture.
It's exactly the same thing - a VISION.
Seeing a light?
That's practically the very definition of a "vision".
Told by SOMEONE else in 3 different versions?
Varying legends of someone ELSE's VISIONS ?!
So what?
So, like I said -
NOT ONE Christian claims to have met a historical Jesus personally.
I have dealt with this at length in this post :
"Who claimed to have met Jesus personally"
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=167271
Will you address this issue ?
K.
Akhenaten
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Here you go. It didn't end well, but you have about 10 pages of a guy using ... logic that is similar to yours.
Akhenaten
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Kapyong
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Gday,
Actually my point was clear and specific :
No Christian claimed to have met Jesus personally.
You have failed to produce any such claims.
All you has come up with is a claim by SOMEONE ELSE that Paul had a mystical experience.
That is NOT :
* a claim by Paul to have met Jesus
Nor is it :
* a personal meeting of Jesus.
It's merely a sete of different legends about SOMEONE ELSE have VISIONS of Christ.
Like I said -
SOMEONE ELSE telles DIFFERENT legends about Paul having a VISION.
An anonymous book making claims about SOMEONE ELSE.
No.
I think Jesus was a myth.
Which is why we do NOT have ANY genuine writing from Jesus or Peter.
Just a FORGERY from 2nd century in which 'Peter' insists they are not following "cunning fables" - obviously sceptics said Christian WERE following fables.
Rubbish.
Tacitus repeated Christian BELIEFS of 2nd century.
He got Pilate's title WRONG.
He got Christ's name WRONG.
You preached faithful beliefs that were demolished by the facts.
But time and time again, you FAIL to quote anyone who claimed to have met Jesus.
I am NOT asking for YOUR BELIEFS who met Jesus
I am NOT asking for Christian CLAIMS who met Jesus.
I am asking for evidence of a Christian who personally claimed to have met Jesus THEMSELF !
Which you repeatedly and conspicuously FAIL to provide.
Here is the THIRD time I have answered this :
I do NOT think Pilate met Jesus, because Jesus was a MYTH.
That's why Christians had to FORGE letters from Pilate about Jesus - because he actually said NOTHING about Jesus.
K.
Actually my point was clear and specific :
No Christian claimed to have met Jesus personally.
You have failed to produce any such claims.
All you has come up with is a claim by SOMEONE ELSE that Paul had a mystical experience.
That is NOT :
* a claim by Paul to have met Jesus
Nor is it :
* a personal meeting of Jesus.
It's merely a sete of different legends about SOMEONE ELSE have VISIONS of Christ.
Like I said -
SOMEONE ELSE telles DIFFERENT legends about Paul having a VISION.
An anonymous book making claims about SOMEONE ELSE.
No.
I think Jesus was a myth.
Which is why we do NOT have ANY genuine writing from Jesus or Peter.
Just a FORGERY from 2nd century in which 'Peter' insists they are not following "cunning fables" - obviously sceptics said Christian WERE following fables.
Rubbish.
Tacitus repeated Christian BELIEFS of 2nd century.
He got Pilate's title WRONG.
He got Christ's name WRONG.
You preached faithful beliefs that were demolished by the facts.
But time and time again, you FAIL to quote anyone who claimed to have met Jesus.
I am NOT asking for YOUR BELIEFS who met Jesus
I am NOT asking for Christian CLAIMS who met Jesus.
I am asking for evidence of a Christian who personally claimed to have met Jesus THEMSELF !
Which you repeatedly and conspicuously FAIL to provide.
Here is the THIRD time I have answered this :
I do NOT think Pilate met Jesus, because Jesus was a MYTH.
That's why Christians had to FORGE letters from Pilate about Jesus - because he actually said NOTHING about Jesus.
K.
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