Germany had the atomic bomb first

I'm not really familiar with this MaGZ guy - are all his threads this good?
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MagZ is our resident Neo-Nazi (well, one of them - there's probably more than one). While I'm glad he's here so that we get to educate ourselves by discussing/shooting down Nazi ideas and arguments, he's not the most rational and constructive debater around.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
I'm probably going to deeply regret this, but its like picking at a scab, sometimes you just can't help it.

What exactly was the point of this post MaGZ?
As others have pointed out in great detail the likelyhood of the Nazi's having the atomic bomb given what the allies recovered after the war is pretty much zero.
And if they did have it, why didnt they use it? We're talking about a regime that had no problems with murdering innocents both in and out of combat from the moment the war started (and before). Hitler even wanted Germany to die with him and sent of children to fight combat hardned soldiers to prolong the end for a minute.

Was this some sort of attempt to show that only the horrible joo's used nuclear weapons while the nice Nazi's decided not to?
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The program I saw on the Military Channel. "Mission for Mussolini",
indicated Germany had the bomb first and tested it in October 1944 and March 1945.

That is the point.
 
MaGZ said:
The program I saw on the Military Channel. "Mission for Mussolini",
indicated Germany had the bomb first and tested it in October 1944 and March 1945.

That is the point.
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And has it occurred to the tiny pistachio you use for a brain that the Military Channel program might have gotten it wrong?
 
Ashles said:
So let me see if I have got this thread straight.

We know Hitler had an atomic bomb because a guy on a TV show says that he didn't have an atomic bomb, he had a dirty bomb. (But we should somehow assume he really thinks it was an atomic bomb)
And an old woman is recalling a large explosion during the second world war she witnessed as a child, which she thinks looked like a nuclear explosion according to her 70 year old recollection. (But which luckily had no effect on her health)
And because of a quote Hitler apparently made about the end of the war. Which isn't actually in this program but a completely different program about something else.
All this despite the fact there is no evidence from 2 nuclear explosions or any record of them or any damage from them and the tiny issue that despite having atomic bombs Hitler simply decided not to use them.

Have I got anything wrong there?

I'm not really familiar with this MaGZ guy - are all his threads this good?
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Pretty much, though I don't think they're always this well grounded in fact.
 
Probably the most ◊◊◊◊◊◊* crazy thing MaGZ believes is that on 9/11 a fighter pilot fired missiles at UA175 right before it hit the South Tower, but the missiles missed and hit WTC7, which was later demolished for safety reasons. His "evidence" for the missiles? A bird flying across a shot. MaGZ = Missiles at Ground Zero.
 
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Rasmus said:
Did she have cancer?
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She got better.

Really, the sad thing about any thread from MaGZ is that the "thought" behind it would have to be seriously uprated to even be considered cursory. This is genuinely sad, because you can see the potential for intelligent discourse is there, just not the will.

The fact remains: What evidence is there is minute, at best, and pathetically limited to hearsay for the most part. Germany may have been working on an atomic bomb, but they failed to bring it to the field, and in the end, that's what matters. The whole point of war is to break the enemy's will to fight, and Hitler's Germany never managed to pull that off. In fact, their every move seemed to enrage their enemies, and to drive them on to fight even harder to bring the Nazis to defeat.

I sometimes have to wonder, given that at one point the war was Hitler's to lose, just how much of the Third Reich's defeat was due to their own troops on the ground. Prior to the Weimar Republic, Germany was one of the most liberal and tolerant nations in Europe, which would explain the high percentage of European Jews living within their borders. This is the whole point that is so shocking about the rise of the Third Reich: that one of the most civilized nations in the world could sink to such depths and literally self-immolate as it did. It was a corruption of its own history, (though some would claim that much of it is due to Paul Von Hindenburg's actions, during his service as Germany's second President, and those of Otto Von Bismarck during the reign of Kaiser Wilhelm the I.) It was so very out of character that the Jews themselves refused to leave, making the resulting disaster that much worse.

I would think, had such a device been available, that Hitler would have been more than willing to remove the guards from any one of the camps and then set off one of the test bombs in the midst of the Jews, if for no other reason than to allow Mengele to see what kind of horrors the radiation could inflict. That it didn't happen suggests to me that Hitler not only didn't have the bomb in a concrete form, but that they were still ages away from having a device they could bring to the field.

Once more, a MaGZ thread descends to the netherworld. Sorry, Dude.
 
I have yet to make the 15 post mark so I can't post the link but if you search the Icke forum, you would learn how moot this thread is, as a thread there maintains that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were hoaxes. Fission is physically impossible!

After being bemused by the Port Chicago test Ct, I HAD to see if this was some new pet theory and quickly learned that poster had failed to understand that the entire article which he had based his ...hypothesis upon was actually mocking Holocaust revisionism.

Of course, that didn't stop it from becoming a 20+ thread consisting of bad science and "that's what THEY want you to think!".

How was this Nazi A-bomb to be delivered? Hannebu?
 
BaaBaa said:
I have yet to make the 15 post mark so I can't post the link but if you search the Icke forum, you would learn how moot this thread is, as a thread there maintains that the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombs were hoaxes. Fission is physically impossible!

After being bemused by the Port Chicago test Ct, I HAD to see if this was some new pet theory and quickly learned that poster had failed to understand that the entire article which he had based his ...hypothesis upon was actually mocking Holocaust revisionism.

Of course, that didn't stop it from becoming a 20+ thread consisting of bad science and "that's what THEY want you to think!".

How was this Nazi A-bomb to be delivered? Hannebu?
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LOL. Somebody even crazier than MaGZ.
 
It was more like a salad of kooks....search it up and set your phace on 'stunned'...
 
dtugg said:
LOL. Somebody even crazier than MaGZ.
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Considering how whacked some folks are, that's saying a lot.

Look, this is absurd. You have a "documentary" based on spurious evidence, and in the end, what you have is a royal embarrassment to everyone. This thread is nothing more than a sick joke.
 
Roadtoad said:
She got better.

Really, the sad thing about any thread from MaGZ is that the "thought" behind it would have to be seriously uprated to even be considered cursory. This is genuinely sad, because you can see the potential for intelligent discourse is there, just not the will.

The fact remains: What evidence is there is minute, at best, and pathetically limited to hearsay for the most part. Germany may have been working on an atomic bomb, but they failed to bring it to the field, and in the end, that's what matters. The whole point of war is to break the enemy's will to fight, and Hitler's Germany never managed to pull that off. In fact, their every move seemed to enrage their enemies, and to drive them on to fight even harder to bring the Nazis to defeat.

I sometimes have to wonder, given that at one point the war was Hitler's to lose, just how much of the Third Reich's defeat was due to their own troops on the ground. Prior to the Weimar Republic, Germany was one of the most liberal and tolerant nations in Europe, which would explain the high percentage of European Jews living within their borders. This is the whole point that is so shocking about the rise of the Third Reich: that one of the most civilized nations in the world could sink to such depths and literally self-immolate as it did. It was a corruption of its own history, (though some would claim that much of it is due to Paul Von Hindenburg's actions, during his service as Germany's second President, and those of Otto Von Bismarck during the reign of Kaiser Wilhelm the I.) It was so very out of character that the Jews themselves refused to leave, making the resulting disaster that much worse.

I would think, had such a device been available, that Hitler would have been more than willing to remove the guards from any one of the camps and then set off one of the test bombs in the midst of the Jews, if for no other reason than to allow Mengele to see what kind of horrors the radiation could inflict. That it didn't happen suggests to me that Hitler not only didn't have the bomb in a concrete form, but that they were still ages away from having a device they could bring to the field.

Once more, a MaGZ thread descends to the netherworld. Sorry, Dude.
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As I said earlier, in the program one of the SS officers did something like that and used 500 Soviet prisoners as test subjects in March 1945 when they detonated their second atomic bomb. Their bodies were buried two days later after the radiation subsided.
 
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