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NewtonTrino said:
I actually think the failure rate is a solid 100%. I guess it depends on how you define success. Even if you manage to build a large enough pyramid underneath you to remain profitable you aren't any more successful than Bernie Madoff IMHO.
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The Bernie Madoff case is prime example of how the agencies designed to protect people failed. The SEC seems to have been out to lunch for near a decade despite being given indications that something was wrong.

The one good thing is the case had embarrassed the SEC enough to look into some other situations more closely. The bad thing is there may be many more of these thngs out there ready to blow up in everyone's face.
 
Still waiting maximara .... now come on ... you ranted and practically screamed in my face I was a horrible liar for claiming they didn't exist ... but I'm still waiting ....

show me an academic paper that presents evidence for your claim of a 99% failure rate.
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Icerat, have you made any money through sales of Amway products that would not have otherwise occurred were it not for this thread?

If so, then what percentage of those earnings have you turned over to JREF as due compensation for the use of their website to advertise your products?

If not, then why waste any more of your time?
 
Fnord said:
If not, then why waste any more of your time?
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Why are you on "wasting" time on this site Fnord? Are you suggesting people should only spend time on JREF forums if they have a profit motive?

Frankly I think that's a pretty said view of the world ....:(
 
icerat said:
Why are you on "wasting" time on this site Fnord? Are you suggesting people should only spend time on JREF forums if they have a profit motive?

Frankly I think that's a pretty said view of the world ....:(
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Sales Tactic #3: When you can't refute the question, attack the questioner.

icerat said:
Come to think of it, why didn't you address similar questions to Newton Trino and Maximara?
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Sales Tactic #7: When all else fails, re-direct the questions elsewhere.
 
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I come here because I look to goof off.

Anyway isn't this entire thread merely a semantic game? We mostly agree on the facts, we just come to different conclusions. Of course the skeptical side isn't listening to amway brainwashing propaganda garbage and so are able to come to the correct decision.
 
icerat said:
Still waiting maximara .... now come on ... you ranted and practically screamed in my face I was a horrible liar for claiming they didn't exist ... but I'm still waiting ....

show me an academic paper that presents evidence for your claim of a 99% failure rate.
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The articles from Western Journal of Communication, American Board of Sport Psychology, SA Mercantile Law Journal, Journal of Consumer Marketing, and for System Dynamics conferences have been presented.

The problem is the minute you see Taylor, Fitzpatrick, and or Vandruf it is hat over the eyes, fingers in the ear, and go la la la time.

We are still waiting for the peer review articles that refute them.
 
NewtonTrino said:
I'm not even going to bother responding to this drivel. Seriously this is your argument?
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If Icerat is Insider201283 this nonsense should come as no surprise. When confronted with the fact that papers like Cruz were peer reviewed Insider201283's response was basically ad hominem towards Cruz.

Insider201283's list of potential references was a total joke. Of the twelve presented only three were really useful as the rest were either self published, only tangentially related to the topic, or out of divisions about with little to nothing was know about their quality given.

When presented with proof that Random House and Three Rivers Press/Crown Publishing Group did do vanity books Insider201283 basically ignored the issue.
 
icerat said:
Come to think of it, why didn't you address similar questions to Newton Trino and Maximara?
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Perhaps it is because he and I are not spewing stuff better suited to Humpy Dumpty in Through the Looking Glass.
 
maximara said:
The articles from Western Journal of Communication, American Board of Sport Psychology, SA Mercantile Law Journal, Journal of Consumer Marketing, and for System Dynamics conferences have been presented.
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Not a single one of them presents evidence to support your claim

We are still waiting for the peer review articles that refute them.
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There's a teapot in orbit around jupiter. Please provide me with peer reviewed articles refuting the claim
 
Fnord said:
Sales Tactic #3: When you can't refute the question, attack the questioner.
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How does one "refute" a question? Frankly I didn't realise you were serious with them. It seems you were, which is pretty damn bizarre.

So, no I've made no money from my presence on JREF. Idiotic question.

Why do I "waste my time"? Same reason everyone else is here - debating and discussing myths and misbeliefs. This particularly thread you'll note was correct to continue discussion on a podcast on MLM that had numerous inaccuracies in it.

Sales Tactic #7: When all else fails, re-direct the questions elsewhere.
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What on earth are you babbling on about? You're on a forum were hundreds of people a day discuss multiple sides of an issue, primarily debunking myths. I do the same and I must have a profit motive?

Do you, maximara, and newton trino work for Proctor & Gamble? Is that why you're here spreading myths about the competition? :eek:
 
You would admit that *some* amway groups have scammed IBO's in the past though right? Not to agree with that would really take some sophistry.
 
maximara said:
The articles from Western Journal of Communication, American Board of Sport Psychology, SA Mercantile Law Journal, Journal of Consumer Marketing, and for System Dynamics conferences have been presented.

The problem is the minute you see Taylor, Fitzpatrick, and or Vandruf it is hat over the eyes, fingers in the ear, and go la la la time.

We are still waiting for the peer review articles that refute them.
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icerat said:
Not a single one of them presents evidence to support your claim
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It is really sad when people are so delusional they can't even read.

"The vast majority of MLM’s are recruiting MLM’s, in which participants must recruit aggressively to profit. Based on available data from the companies themselves, the loss rate for recruiting MLM’s is approximately 99.9%; i.e., 99.9% of participants lose money after subtracting all expenses, including purchases from the company." That is a direct quote from Cruz of the 2008 System Dynamics conference.

The Sandbek American Board of Sport Psychology article goes on for several paragraphs concluding "By its very nature, MLM is completely devoid of any scientific foundations."

The rest of Icerats claims is more of the same. I have seen Creationists more rational than this.
 
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