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Some dweeb nobody knows whines about food in America

Obviously there are limitations to buying local. Buying food grown in a rural area will generally be cheaper than buying food bought in an urban area. Unless of course we are talking about supplmental home garden growing of food, which is encouraged. The local food movement in general is not suggesting we turn supermarkets into farms. Nor are people in general suggesting that all valuable land that is not otherwise being used be turned into a lovely garden. Though you know, if people were not upset by the thought of mixing a death connected site with growing food turning the land of the Trade Center into a garden that fed locals would be pleasant.

In Portland, Or there was some otherwise unused urban land turned into low income gardening. To collect food from it you had to work so many hours in it. So it became a very cheap way for poor residents of that neighborhood to acquire more food. A few schools here have experimented with growing some vegetables for use in the cafeteria. It actually is fairly cheap, especially if the school was already in the act of teaching gardening or plant biology. You can even get geology and chemistry lessons out of it. Perhaps more I have not heard examples of.

As for cost efficiency of growing local foods that is a concern. There are some foods that are just not cost effecient to grow local. Guess what local food movements suggest? Buy the types of food that are cost effecient to grow local. I do not think there is any state that lacks an agriculture industry, though a few may have sparse industries. What is local really does change from situation to situation and the movement does not suggest ignoring the physical reality of not being within 50 miles of sustainable farming.

As for the strange food market fluctuations, the farmer does not pay to ship the food. It largely has to do with business contracts. With strawberries 95% of what farmers grow gets put into the distribution network, the rest into direct sales, farmers markets and other such similar situations. The US produces much more food than it consumes. It is more profitable to sell some products far abroad than it is to sell locally. So a farmer in Oregon can sell their product for twice as much plus .5 times in shipping to someone in British Columbia. Which leaves the market open for a farmer in California to sell to Oregon at 1.5 times as much plus .5 times in shipping. Which means that a farmer in Mexico can sell to California. And so on and so far. To clarify, by farmer selling abroad I mean selling to a distribution network locally that collects and brings it abroad.
 
Says someone whose national dish is haggis... a "food" which was banned in the US 20 years ago and no one even noticed. ;)
Only haggis imported from Scotland, or something similar. I know people who live in the US who didn't realise it was banned...because they kept on buying haggis made in the US.
 
Only haggis imported from Scotland, or something similar. I know people who live in the US who didn't realise it was banned...because they kept on buying haggis made in the US.
It's the lung meat that's banned, you can still get it in some restaurants but it doesn't contain the lung.

I don't know if it applies to home cooking or not.
 
Count me as one who doesn't understand why eating locally is cheaper. I can see that shipping costs would be less and also canning and freezing costs that might be involved for foods coming from farther away. But other than that what is there? Aren't there other costs to consider? Producing the food cheaply, wherever it is produced, seems to be a pretty big factor. And on top of that, if you automatically buy local then you're systematically elminating 90%...or whatever...of the potential food vendors. Doesn't that give an incentive to your local food producer to charge more? After all, if people are going to buy the food from the local vendor regardless, why not raise the price?

It depends on the local producer.
Most small local food farmers don't have large advertising budgets, they don't have buildings of middle managers, they don't pay lobbyists and they don't ship thousands of miles. That does a part of offsetting a smaller market and a lower efficiency.

Many farms offer a community supported agriculture (CSA) where you buy in before the season starts for a share of the crops. If it's a good year for tomatoes, you'll get plenty to eat and plenty to turn into sauce and can, at much less than supermarket prices. If there's a tomato blight like we had last year you won't get so many. They share the risk and the reward. In my experience over the last six years or so, it's been much cheaper than buying the same veggies at the supermarket.

Why don't local growers gouge their customers? I'm sure some might, but most CSAs have a strong personal relationship with their customers. Ours gives a discount for people who spend some time working on the farm. At farmers markets, the boss is very often the one who working in the booth talking to the customers. There's both direct competition and direct interaction between the farm owner and the customers. Both social and traditional capitalist price controls.

In some more rural areas, with a captive audience, like parts of Vermont for instance, I've seen farm stand and small stores with crazy high prices, but the closest supermarkets serving the area take advantage too.
 
They said "the most recognised", not "the biggest ***wipe".

ditto....

They're about equal in the books published department, but Oliver's had like thirteen thousand TV shows and never thrown a plate of food down at an unsuspecting sous chef on any that I've seen.

His "Ministry of Food" series did just what some are recommending. He took the quest to middle class families - not kids - to try to show how they could eat better and enjoy it. He's not a flash-in-the-pan busybody meddling in another country's problems, as I don't think he sees things as being divided by borders. He's an Englishman with some sort of strange African lineage who specialized early on in Italian cooking, and who believes in what he's doing.

He's also got a foundation to get "disadvantaged" (or whatever term the Brits use) folks trained in restaurant/cooking and a chance to make themselves a career.

I don't see much wrong with him or his desire to bring attention to his specialty (food and cooking) and his are of interest (nutrition).


Oh, BTW, .... personally, I fear that it's likely that he's quite a putz. I mean that sincerely - having never met the man. He has three daughters, hold on... wait for it.... in chronological order:

Poppy Honey
Daisy Boo
Petal Blossom Rainbow




Oh, and another reason to hate him - he's filthy rich.
 
Isn't Ramsay the most recognized asswipe of a chef? He certainly is fun to watch.
If that's what you like to watch, I guess...

But I've seen bondage porn that's less humiliating than he is towards his vic... apprent... no, dammit I'll call them victims because that's what they are. ****ing douchemeister.
 
He's also got a foundation to get "disadvantaged" (or whatever term the Brits use) folks trained in restaurant/cooking and a chance to make themselves a career.

I'm glad you mentioned Olivers' Foundation. He opened up one of his "Fifteen" restaurants in Melbourne, where 15 disadvanted young people are put through apprenticeships. He doesn't take a cent from these restaurants.

http://www.fifteen.net/Pages/default.aspx

Fifteen’s purpose is two-fold: firstly to offer young people, often in need of a break in life, the experience of learning to work in the restaurant business and secondly, for our customers to enjoy fantastic food and knowledgeable customer service. The restaurant is the trading arm of a registered charity, the Jamie Oliver Foundation (no.1094536), and the profits go towards the apprenticeship scheme.

I also find him a bit of a tosser, but
can't fault his intentions.
 
You Brits are officially disallowed from criticising any aspect of US cuisine whatsoever.


P.S. I've never heard of this Jamie Oliver guy, either.

It is a high art to make a good black pudding! I am old enough to remember being allowed to stir one of the vats for my uncle who was a butcher that still slaughtered some livestock on the premises - that really is getting close to the source of your food!
 
ditto....

They're about equal in the books published department, but Oliver's had like thirteen thousand TV shows and never thrown a plate of food down at an unsuspecting sous chef on any that I've seen.

His "Ministry of Food" series did just what some are recommending. He took the quest to middle class families - not kids - to try to show how they could eat better and enjoy it. He's not a flash-in-the-pan busybody meddling in another country's problems, as I don't think he sees things as being divided by borders. He's an Englishman with some sort of strange African lineage who specialized early on in Italian cooking, and who believes in what he's doing.

He's also got a foundation to get "disadvantaged" (or whatever term the Brits use) folks trained in restaurant/cooking and a chance to make themselves a career.

I don't see much wrong with him or his desire to bring attention to his specialty (food and cooking) and his are of interest (nutrition).


Oh, BTW, .... personally, I fear that it's likely that he's quite a putz. I mean that sincerely - having never met the man. He has three daughters, hold on... wait for it.... in chronological order:

Poppy Honey
Daisy Boo
Petal Blossom Rainbow




Oh, and another reason to hate him - he's filthy rich.

I really, really do try to be negative about him, as I said earlier his TV personae grates on me - I hate the "Essex lad but I'm really middle class" approach BUT then I look at what he has actually done with his fame (and money - at one time he put everything he had on the line to start up his first 15 restaurant and as many investors will tell you investing in a restaurant of any kind is very risky) and sadly I have to conclude he is someone who sincerely and genuinely has tried to make a difference (for good) in the world. And his recipes are usually good. Damn him!!
 
Jamie is actually a very nice guy - he lives not far from me. It's not uncommon to see him in Saffron Walden.

I've eaten several times in his father's restaurant - it's very good. In fact the last time I ate there, I had the lamb's liver on a bed of mashed potato and black pudding :)
 
Jamie is actually a very nice guy - he lives not far from me. It's not uncommon to see him in Saffron Walden.

I've eaten several times in his father's restaurant - it's very good. In fact the last time I ate there, I had the lamb's liver on a bed of mashed potato and black pudding :)

Look I have a very nice stereotype about middle class do-gooders who are only in it for themselves and are in fact complete barstools when the cameras are turned off - will you please stop trying to get me to drop this, it's one of my few pleasures in life!
 
It's not an information problem. People know full well what foods are horrible for them.

I happen to like vegetables a lot, but if this wasn't the case I would gladly choose a few years lower life expectancy in order to be able to indulge in the foods I love.

I have no illwill toward private efforts to change people's food habits. What really pisses me off is various forms of sin taxes and government mandates; politicians need to stop their tedious effort to rebuild the Gosplan one brick at a time.
 
Look I have a very nice stereotype about middle class do-gooders who are only in it for themselves and are in fact complete barstools when the cameras are turned off - will you please stop trying to get me to drop this, it's one of my few pleasures in life!

Would it help if I said that, on-screen, at least, he comes across as a fat-tongued Mockney twat?
 
Do you have any rational or evidential basis for your "opinion"?

Being an American who eats unhealthy food ought to qualify me nicely. "Takes one to know one", if you will.

Then what's your explanation for why Oliver's program worked in the UK?

I don't live in the UK, so I have honestly no idea. And again, I choose to remain dubious on whether students actually "embraced" this program or merely resigned themselves to it.
 

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