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Iran crackin' down...

ZARDOZ said:
Anyhow. I'm done. JREF is a place full of seriously hostile people who I have no use for. I have had nothing but hostility from you Darth Rotor, from Cleon, from The Fool, from Parky... and frankly this place is far too negative for me to be interested in belonging to anymore. You guys can't even debate without name-calling.
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10 bucks says this guy posts again within 8 hours. He has already said bye-bye like 5 times already.
 
Skeptic said:
I think you need to answer the points I made about the very close similarity between the two regimes -- especially their violence, contempt for human rights, and desire for genocide.
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No, actually, I don't need to answer.

Why compare Ahmadinejad to Hitler? Hitler's old news.

Why not compare Iran to some other notable upholders of human rights in the world right now? Saudi Arabia? Zimbo? Nigeria? Sudan?

Nah, I won't even going play an "Africa" card, because that would be a slam dunk. I can think of several African states with leaders far worse than the current Iranian regime.

I'll just stick with my fave - the Chinese.

A militaristic, nuclear-armed, xenophobic totalitarian nation with horrific human rights abuses.

Can we compare China and Iran instead?

But.... China good, Iran bad.

You played the "wipe Israel off the map" card, then I'll go defence and play the "Urumqi/Tibet" card for double points.

Your move.
 
First off, bugger you for bringing a dish of perspective to the table.

Secondly. If I'd seen this first, I wouldn't have bothered posting:

Darth Rotor said:
Funny, Mandela got a lot more than six years for his political opposition, in South Africa. But six years! Oh, the drama! The Horror! How long has that nice Burmese lady been under house arrest? Aung San Suu Kyi is who I refer to here.
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I thought they'd changed her name to Aung San Hu?
 
ZARDOZ said:
Anyhow. I'm done. JREF is a place full of seriously hostile people who I have no use for. I have had nothing but hostility from you Darth Rotor, from Cleon, from The Fool, from Parky... and frankly this place is far too negative for me to be interested in belonging to anymore. You guys can't even debate without name-calling.

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You can't even get your whinging right.

You said:
JREF is a place full of seriously hostile people who I have no use for.
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The JREF itself isn't where your problem lies.

The JREF Politics Forum may well be a place full of seriously hostile people who I have no use for. I'll grant you, it can get nasty here, and lose the "friendly and lively" atmosphere Mr Randi prefers on his forums.

Funnily enough, any number of people still find a way to throw ideas back and forth without crying about it.

Might want to see a doctor about that bruise on the glutes if you don't ice it down ... ya know, where the swinging door hit ya ...
 
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The Fool said:
I would like to compare Iran to a steak and kidney pie....if thats ok with everyone.
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I think parky's idea is a decent one.

Comparing the Islamic Revolution of 1979 to the Russian revolution of 1917 is rather intriguing. Did this about fifteen years ago in a political theory course. Some striking similarities, with some profound differences, specifically the liberal genesis of the Russian revolution (traditional definition of liberalism here) versus the reactionary nature of the Islamic Revolution. I tried to apply the lens of Toffler's "Future Shock" idea to the Islamic Revolution, with modest success.

In the context of this thread, comparing the Islamic Republic of Iran to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the oppressive methods, particularly the use of Imperialism or "Western Imperialism" as a common foe (for the people and the government) makes a hell of a lot more sense than the tired old Hitler crap. Whether the ideology is Marxian, or Islamic, the sad truth is that a "popular" revolution resulted in a small core of power manipulators taking on the leadership of a significantly large nation.

@ The Atheist: Thanks for the Burmese tidbit, I wasn't aware.

DR
 
Darth Rotor said:
In the context of this thread, comparing the Islamic Republic of Iran to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, and the oppressive methods, particularly the use of Imperialism or "Western Imperialism" as a common foe (for the people and the government) makes a hell of a lot more sense than the tired old Hitler crap.
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I'll take your word for it that there's something there.

Yet I believe both the Bolshevik comparison and the Godwin are missing something. Iran is run by religious fundamentalists who have behaved in highly irrational ways (hostage crisis). One might argue that a nation with such a radically theocratic bent has never been present with as much potential influence in history, given their proximity to the Bomb.
 
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