ACORN filmmaker arrested

MikeMangum said:
So let's get this straight. If a group hosts a debate involving 3 people, one of those people in the debate is the "lead speaker"?
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This is only true if one of the speakers holds a particularly radical position and if the result can make one or more conservatives look bad.
 
leftysergeant said:
Care to find something that exculpates pimp and sleaze from my allegation that they criminally conspired to make it appear that ACORN was going to help them had they really intended to run a brothel?
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Under the truther legal system, burden of proof is on the accused.
 
applecorped said:
Guilty until proven innocent?:rolleyes:
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They don't get to fall back on that. They made the accusation and they have an obligation to prove that they followed the rules of logic. They haven't yet. They lit that bomb under their own butts.
 
MikeMangum said:
So let's get this straight. If a group hosts a debate involving 3 people, one of those people in the debate is the "lead speaker"?
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I stand corrected. It was a debate with Taylor as one of the participants.

Some interesting comments from The Washington Independent reporter David Weigel on young campus conservatives who sponsor these types of events.

I talked to many veterans of the same programs that produced James O’Keefe for my story on the more under-the-radar success of the conservatives-on-campus programs, they remembered, not fondly, people like Marcus Epstein who signed up with conservative groups in order to say shocking things about race or immigration...

I’ve known campus conservative activists for a decade, and I know the people who put together the 2006 forum quite well. Extremism — theories about race, right-wing European politics, anti-immigration rhetoric — is seen in these circles as something of a lark. It’s forbidden knowledge. It terrifies liberals. But people like Marcus Epstein and James O’Keefe feel (or felt) like they can get away with playing around in these circles before getting down to serious politics.
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leftysergeant said:
They don't get to fall back on that. They made the accusation and they have an obligation to prove that they followed the rules of logic. They haven't yet. They lit that bomb under their own butts.
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Everyone gets to fall back on that. It's called being American.
 
I’ve known campus conservative activists for a decade, and I know the people who put together the 2006 forum quite well. Extremism — theories about race, right-wing European politics, anti-immigration rhetoric — is seen in these circles as something of a lark. It’s forbidden knowledge. It terrifies liberals. But people like Marcus Epstein and James O’Keefe feel (or felt) like they can get away with playing around in these circles before getting down to serious politics.
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Ah, so he's never met O'Keefe, but this quote is supposed to mean something.
 
Sporanox said:
Everyone gets to fall back on that. It's called being American.
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Well, maybe I should put it this way.

It is established fact that the pimp lies. Therefore, it is vastly more fair to say unequivocally that he is a criminal than it is to say that he proved ACORN corrupt.

We have a right to demand that the worthless little blob of Republican prove with court-admissible evidence that ACORN is cortrupt. He has no right to demand that we speak respecrfully of him before he does so.

Pimp boy is not a victim here.
 
leftysergeant said:
It is established fact that the pimp lies. Therefore, it is vastly more fair to say unequivocally that he is a criminal than it is to say that he proved ACORN corrupt.
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Sure, whatever.

He has no right to demand that we speak respecrfully of him before he does so.
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Nobody has that right.
 
Sporanox said:
Ah, so he's never met O'Keefe, but this quote is supposed to mean something.
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It was posted as comment on the culture of campus conservatives who sponsor events like the one O'Keefe attended which you may have failed to notice has been the topic of some discussion on this thread.
 
Walter Ego said:
It was posted as comment on the culture of campus conservatives who sponsor events like the one O'Keefe attended which you may have failed to notice has been the topic of some discussion on this thread.
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Okay, sure. If I try really hard, I might be able to care.
 
It's called "reporter goes to sympathetic source for generic sound-bite on topic X because reporter can't be bothered to find primary source." See just about all print journalism, notably the NY Times.
 
Sporanox said:
Sure, whatever.



Nobody has that right.
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But people here get their panties all in a bunch over my disrespect for the little slimeball and try to claim that he is "heroic" or "brave" in "exposing" ACORN.

Don't kvetch about people assuming he is guilty of something when he so blatantly tried to frame ACORN. He gets no more rights than his victims.
Time for some of you so-called "skeptics" to apologize to ACORN for taking the pimp's word.
 
Walter Ego said:
It was posted as comment on the culture of campus conservatives who sponsor events like the one O'Keefe attended which you may have failed to notice has been the topic of some discussion on this thread.
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I see. Again with the guilt by association. For having a debate.

This is PC at it's worst. We cannot debate any contentious or controversial issues because any association with a controversial speaker means guilt by association. We can't ever have a debate about the holocaust in an attempt to discredit holocaust deniers, because we would be "attending a conference where holocaust denier X was the 'lead speaker'".

Got it.
 
applecorped said:
So, are all debunkers that attend truther events actually truthers?
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Not all; just the ones that also embarrass liberals.
After all, when you don't have any legitimate reason to criticize a conservative, you need to manufacture a reason. It's the liberal way.
 
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