Merged bullet hole in the windshield of JFK's limo/ You might be...

carlitos said:
You asked for it. I delivered it, on a veritable silver platter. You called me a "TOOL." Is this the way you plan to convince anyone that you are "right?" Because it doesn't seem like a good approach. If you would click the link, you could see the demonstration on the live goat, where the same thing happens. I didn't link it as it was too graphic but here you go. Again. On a silver platter. You are welcome. (real media .rm link) (For those not familiar, this illustrates a neuromuscular spasm)

Are you allergic to this link or what? No time to read it?


ETA - really, slooooooow down. Take a deep breath. Get away from the computer for a few hours. It will be good for you, I promise. What you are doing is not productive.
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You can't prove a human head or human like skull attached to a body could do what you're sugggesting. They prove nothing in regards to Kennedy. I called you a tool for posting laughable and grainy videos of kids shooting at whatever those things were. You called me ignorant in your last post.
 
7forever said:
You can't prove a human head or human like skull attached to a body could do what you're sugggesting. They prove nothing in regards to Kennedy. I called you a tool for posting laughable and grainy videos of kids shooting at whatever those things were. You called me ignorant in your last post.
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you could put all this to rest if you could show us a video of a human head doing anything like what you describe (i wont post a link but i watched the budd dwyer video, his head does not do what you describe in fact it seems to snap forward)
 
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7forever said:
Thanks for posting this.:)It shows his head going up before it violently lashed backward. His shoulders do not go forward at all. Common sense dictates that his head which is down, must go up before it goes backward. Frame 313 is a smoking gun in this case and it shows a shot enter the right front of his head.
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What does physics dictate?
 
7forever said:
You can't prove a human head or human like skull attached to a body could do what you're sugggesting. They prove nothing in regards to Kennedy. I called you a tool for posting laughable and grainy videos of kids shooting at whatever those things were. You called me ignorant in your last post.
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No, I did not. Also, "whatever those things were" were also identified in the linked titles that everyone here can easily read.

Argument from IgnoranceWP is a logical fallacy. Read about it here.

Overview

Commonly in an argument from personal incredulity or argument from ignorance, the speaker considers or asserts that something is false, implausible, or not obvious to them personally and attempts to use this gap in knowledge as "evidence" in favor of an alternative view of his or her choice. Examples of these fallacies are often found in statements of opinion which begin: "It is hard to see how...," "I cannot understand how...," or "it is obvious that..." (if "obvious" is being used to introduce a conclusion rather than specific evidence in support of a particular view).
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As far as grainy videos, do you see the irony in your statement? Because I do.
 
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Vorticity said:
OK, I see now. You're insane. Sorry for bothering you.
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You are one that's insane. So, his head went (for maybe two frames) forward from a rear shot and then magically switches directions and is forced backward as if the shot came from the front? There is no evidence that it's possible and if there was, someone would produce it with something similar to a human body with skull attachement.
 
7forever said:
You are one that's insane. So, his head went (for maybe two frames) forward from a rear shot and then magically switches directions and is forced backward as if the shot came from the front? There is no evidence that it's possible and if there was, someone would produce it with something similar to a human body with skull attachement.
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Ah! So you know nothing about muscles either?
 
defaultdotxbe said:
you could put all this to rest if you could show us a video of a human head doing anything like what you describe (i wont post a link but i watched the budd dwyer video, his head does not do what you describe in fact it seems to snap forward)
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He's launched backward into a corner bleeding through his mouth and nose. Pretty gruesome. Maybe this spasmodic thing makes sense for a front shot like what you saw with Dwyer but the other stuff you guys are talking is BS. If someone can show me something real i will look at it but even McClelland was convinced of a front shot after viewing the film.
 
I knew I'd regret getting into this morass...

7forever said:
So, his head went (for maybe two frames) forward from a rear shot and then magically switches directions and is forced backward as if the shot came from the front?
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See, now you're confusing me. Are you admitting his head did go forward for a few frames, or are you disputing that?

It seems absolutely clear to me that his head first moves forward:

http://users.skynet.be/mar/Headshot/Images/Closeup_312-313.gif

Frame 312 (Before bullet strike): Head flush with horizontal and vertical lines.

Frame 313 (After bullet strike): Head below horizontal line and forward of vertical line.

His head moved down and forward at the instant of the bullet strike. I'm baffled how anyone could look at that sequence of images and see anything different.

Someone tell me: Is it really that simple or am I missing something obvious? :confused:
 
Vorticity said:
Someone tell me: Is it really that simple or am I missing something obvious? :confused:
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It really is. 7forever is arguing from stark personal incredulity, and doing so in a typical arrogant conspiracy theorist way by saying in no uncertain terms that any rational person must agree with him.

It's just silly willy
 
7forever said:
He's launched backward into a corner bleeding through his mouth and nose. Pretty gruesome. Maybe this spasmodic thing makes sense for a front shot like what you saw with Dwyer but the other stuff you guys are talking is BS. If someone can show me something real i will look at it but even McClelland was convinced of a front shot after viewing the film.
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the "launching into a corner" could not possibly be from the gunshot, as im sure your familiar with the concept of an action having an equal and opposite reaction, the gun should have been launched across the room with equal force, it wasnt, indicating his fall backward into the corner was simply how his body collapsed when he died, if you watch the video closely youll see his head snap forward the instant he pulls the trigger, before he falls down

this was also something they explored on mythbusters, being shot does not launch someone backward like in the movies
 
Vorticity said:
I knew I'd regret getting into this morass...
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heh, youre one of us now, might as well accept it

See, now you're confusing me. Are you admitting his head did go forward for a few frames, or are you disputing that?

It seems absolutely clear to me that his head first moves forward:

http://users.skynet.be/mar/Headshot/Images/Closeup_312-313.gif

Frame 312 (Before bullet strike): Head flush with horizontal and vertical lines.

Frame 313 (After bullet strike): Head below horizontal line and forward of vertical line.

His head moved down and forward at the instant of the bullet strike. I'm baffled how anyone could look at that sequence of images and see anything different.

Someone tell me: Is it really that simple or am I missing something obvious? :confused:
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in addition its clear matter is being ejected from the front of his head, which would only happen if he was shot from behind
 
7forever said:
When you still believe the sbt theory after watching Nellie and John on Larry King and reading his testimony where he is adamant, he was not hit by the same bullet. Now, that is stubborn and retarded denial.:confused:
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Aliens are real, I saw it on Larry King!!! :jaw-dropp
 
7forever said:
JOHN CONNALLY WAS THE ONLY OTHER MAN SHOT AND HE SURVIVED AND HE WAS IN THE LINE OF FIRE OF THESE BULLETS FLYING.
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So being shot makes you a ballistic expert?
Guess I didn't need to go to Nuke School. Being exposed to ionizing radiation would have made me an expert in running reactors.

lol Connally knew what happened and he had at least some experience with firearms.
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I've had experience with firearms also. Most likely more than you. Doesn't make me a ballistics expert, though.

The governor of the third largest State knew what happened and he took it to his grave with the exception of playing dumb as it concerned himself. He was willing to hang with the official story about only three shots from the rear but refused to go along with the single bullet myth.
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I'm a voter in the 21st largest state. That means just as much as what you posted.

I know what happened, too.

If he "refused to go along" with any of it, guess what? No conspiracy.

Sorry. You lose. Again.

But then, you're used to that, aren't you?
 
JimBenArm said:
So being shot makes you a ballistic expert? Guess I didn't need to go to Nuke School. Being exposed to ionizing radiation would have made me an expert in running reactors.
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And possibly a superhero.
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7forever said:
His doctor said that his body was in a position to receive his four wounds around that time. The main reason why the sbt is false is because John Connally said it was. He knew what happened and in a court with a jury they would believe him along with a plethora of other evidence. Playing Costner's scene would suffice. I DID NOT PROVE THE SBT FALSE, others who studied it proved it false.;)
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Proved? You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means. Also, you're embarrassing yourself by citing one of the most intellectually and historically dishonest movies ever created as evidence.

Oh, and by the way, John Connally isn't in a position to say that the single bullet theory is false.
 
twinstead said:
It really is. 7forever is arguing from stark personal incredulity, and doing so in a typical arrogant conspiracy theorist way by saying in no uncertain terms that any rational person must agree with him.

It's just silly willy
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Yup. We've either got arguments for incredulity or else just plain trolling. Either way, time to put the ignore feature to good use. I can't believe somebody would willfully ignore evidence and see what they want to see this badly.
 
Hey, look at the bright side. The guy took a break. Maybe he's collecting his thoughts and becoming rational about things. :)
 
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