The pot calling the kettle black...

[ZARDOZ]

I'm speechless at the silence in the Arab world on this one.

http://www.middle-east-online.com/english/?id=36958

Jordan has revoked citizenship from nearly 3,000 Jordanians of Palestinian origin in recent years and should put a stop to the practice, Human Rights Watch (HRW) said in a report released Monday.

The practice continued in 2009, denying many people basic citizenship rights such as access to education and health care, HRW said.

Jordan, where a significant proportion of the nearly six million inhabitants are of Palestinian origin, has said the measure was a means to counter any Israeli plans to transfer Palestinians of the West Bank to the kingdom, according to HRW.

Well thank goodness it's really Israel's fault the Jordanians are revoking people's citizenship. After all... EVERYTHING is Israel's fault isn't it.

 

[The Fool]

I'm speechless at the silence in the Arab world on this one.




Well thank goodness it's really Israel's fault the Jordanians are revoking people's citizenship. After all... EVERYTHING is Israel's fault isn't it.

Marc, if you are going to troll at least vary the methods a bit.

 

[Pardalis]

Funny since most Jordanians are Palestinians.

So much for Arab solidarity.

Marc, if you are going to troll at least vary the methods a bit.

Usually trolls are the ones who can't address a thread's OP.

 

[Thunder]

I'm speechless at the silence in the Arab world on this one.

Well thank goodness it's really Israel's fault the Jordanians are revoking people's citizenship. After all... EVERYTHING is Israel's fault isn't it.

how about you PROVE that the Arab world is silent on this matter.

Boy, I sure do miss Marc39. Where is he these days?

 

[ZARDOZ]

Usually trolls are the ones who can't address a thread's OP.

I find the deflection very telling too.

Marc, if you are going to troll at least vary the methods a bit.

My name is not "Marc." I am not a "troll." In fact I don't even know who the heck you are. I find it the absolute height of hypocrisy that Jordan is revoking Jordanians' citizenship because they are of Palestinian descent. Care to tell me what you think about that?

ETA

how about you PROVE that the Arab world is silent on this matter.

Lemme see. Anyone here hear about Jordan revoking Jordanian's citizenship because they are of Palestinian descent? I haven't heard a peep until today. Yet HWR claims it's been going on since 2004. I'd be happy to make Parky happy if anyone can find me an Arab-based link to this story which should really be rocking the Arab world.

( here's the full HRW report: http://www.hrw.org/node/87906 )

Jordanians affected by this policy have learned they had been stripped of their nationality not from any official notice, but during routine procedures such as renewing a passport or driver's license, or registering a marriage or the birth of a child at the Civil Status Department. Withdrawal of nationality appears to be as random as it is arbitrary. In four of the cases Human Rights Watch reviewed, one person's nationality was withdrawn involuntarily, while that of a sibling in identical circumstances was not.

 

[Thunder]

Israel revokes the permanent residency status of thousands of Palestinians in East Jerusalem every year. I guess its just part of the neighborhood.

Plus Israel has made it illegal for Israeli citizens to bring a Palestinian spouse, to Israel.

 

[Pardalis]

Israel revokes the permanent residency status of thousands of Palestinians in East Jerusalem every year. I guess its just part of the neighborhood.

Plus Israel has made it illegal for Israeli citizens to bring a Palestinian spouse, to Israel.

This thread is about Jordan, want to talk about that?

 

[ZARDOZ]

Israel revokes the permanent residency status of thousands of Palestinians in East Jerusalem every year. I guess its just part of the neighborhood.

Plus Israel has made it illegal for Israeli citizens to bring a Palestinian spouse, to Israel.

Ok great. But we are talking about Jordan now. I can't find anything on Al Jazeera's english website. I used their search function, typed in "Jordan" and just scanned nearly 2329 results. What a boring task. Yet not a single mention about Jordan revoking Jordanian's citizenship because they are of Palestinian descent at Al Jazeera.

 

[Thunder]

Ok great. But we are talking about Jordan now. I can't find anything on Al Jazeera's english website. I used their search function, typed in "Jordan" and just scanned nearly 2329 results. What a boring task. Yet not a single mention about Jordan revoking Jordanian's citizenship because they are of Palestinian descent there.

um, I recall when Kuwait kicked out a few hundred thousand Palestinians after the 1st Iraq War.

and here you go. an Islamic website that mentions the hard times of Palestinians in Kuwait:

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/PalestineInFocus/Thepeople/articles/OUTUNRWA04.SHTML

http://www.gulfwar1991.com/Gulf%20War%20Complete/Chapter%2010,%20Palestinians%20in%20Kuwait,%20Terror%20and%20Ethnic%20Cleansing,%20By%20Hassan%20A%20El-Najjar.htm

Ooooh..here is a good one!!

http://aljazeerah.info/Editorials/2...an Who Died in Kuwait By Hassan El-Najjar.htm

http://www.arabnews.com/?page=4&section=0&article=23431&d=8&m=3&y=2003

honestly, did you do ANY research on this issue at all?

or did you hope that we at JREF, would not live up to our name, and debunk your claim?

 

[dudalb]

Jesus, parky, are you that afraid that criticising a Arab government for it;s treatment of Palestinians is going to make lose your status as a Liberal?

 

[Thunder]

Jesus, parky, are you that afraid that criticising a Arab government for it;s treatment of Palestinians is going to make lose your status as a Liberal?

huh? are you suggesting I believe Kuwait's treatment of their Palestinians was okee dokee? of course not.

they executed collective punishment on hundreds of thousands of people, due to the actions of a few.

I just don't like people coming to JREF, and lying about their supposed enemies. especially when a claim can be soo easily debunked. I'm no web-expert, and I found the above articles in 3 mins.

are you honestly asking me to lend a blind eye, to something I know is not true?

 

[ZARDOZ]

um, I recall when Kuwait kicked out a few hundred thousand Palestinians after the 1st Iraq War.

honestly, did you do ANY research on this issue at all?

or did you hope that we at JREF, would not live up to our name, and debunk your claim?

Ok. So far you have brought up Israel and Kuwait. But this thread is about Jordan and how Jordan is revoking Jordanian's citizenship because they are of Palestinian descent. Seems to me they are revoking Jordanian citizenships it to make a people homeless even if they have homes and live in Jordan.

 

[Thunder]

Ok. So far you have brought up Israel and Kuwait. But this thread is about Jordan and how Jordan is revoking Jordanian's citizenship because they are of Palestinian descent. Seems to me they are revoking Jordanian citizenships it to make a people homeless even if they have homes and live in Jordan.

i have not found any articles about Palestinians in Jordan, losing their citizenship. At least articles that were not in an Israeli or Jewish paper. oh well.

however, I have found a plethera of articles dealing with the expulsion of Palestinians from Kuwait. somehow, this was a more important issue for various Arab press. im not sure why.

but clearly, the Muslim and Arab world is not silent on the issue of fellow Arabs or Muslims mistreating Palestinians. that has been proven.

 

[ddt]

I'm speechless at the silence in the Arab world on this one.

Do you mean you didn't look?

Kuwait Times
Khaleej Times (UAE)
The National (UAE)
Now Lebanon

You know what I find funny? Whenever HRW or Amnesty or other human rights groups criticize Israel, then according to the pro-Israel crowd they're irrelevant because they're biased or some such. However, when they criticize Arab nations, they're OK?

 

[ddt]

Lemme see. Anyone here hear about Jordan revoking Jordanian's citizenship because they are of Palestinian descent? I haven't heard a peep until today.

It has been discussed on JREF before: link.

Yet HWR claims it's been going on since 2004. I'd be happy to make Parky happy if anyone can find me an Arab-based link to this story which should really be rocking the Arab world.

I gave you four. And why should it be rocking in the Arab world? The way, say, Holland (mis)treats asylum seekers isn't frontpage news either all over Europe.

 

[Thunder]

Do you mean you didn't look?

Kuwait Times
Khaleej Times (UAE)
The National (UAE)
Now Lebanon

You know what I find funny? Whenever HRW or Amnesty or other human rights groups criticize Israel, then according to the pro-Israel crowd they're irrelevant because they're biased or some such. However, when they criticize Arab nations, they're OK?

yes. he clearly didn't even attempt to look. why would he?

and yes, HRW are anti-Semites when they report on Israel.

 

[MikeMangum]

It has been discussed on JREF before: link.


I gave you four. And why should it be rocking in the Arab world? The way, say, Holland (mis)treats asylum seekers isn't frontpage news either all over Europe.

I think that's the point. When Israel "mistreats" Palestinians, it is something that whips millions of people and tens of thousands of the chattering classes into a frenzy. Similar (or even substantially worse) actions by countries others than Israel (whether against Palestinians or not) somehow doesn't provoke the same amount of frothiness about the mouths of the same people.

I think this thread is less about Jordan than it is about people who habitually attack Israel's every percieved failing as a calumny that demonstrates the unworthiness of Israel to exist.

ETA: I'm wondering if there will be academic boycotts of Jordan.

 

[The Fool]

Funny since most Jordanians are Palestinians.

So much for Arab solidarity.




Usually trolls are the ones who can't address a thread's OP.

Laugh out loud....

the op ends with "Well thank goodness it's really Israel's fault the Jordanians are revoking people's citizenship. After all... EVERYTHING is Israel's fault isn't it. "

and the kiddies cry when people talk about Israel. "this thread is not about Israel!!!!!" then why start by trolling for comments about israel??


anyway...the thread (as usual ) fails at the start line. The author being "speechless" that the arab world does not comment...besides the comments that DDT seems to have found fairly easily??

But lets not allow facts to get in the way of a soundly held belief eh?

Jordan doesn't appear to want these people either....so whats new?

 

[Thunder]

when fellow Muslims mistreat Muslims...its not as much of a story.

when fellow Jews mistreat Jews...its not as much of a story.

when fellow Christians mistreat Christians...its not as much of a story.

this is the answer to the OP's question.

great. problem solved.

 

[Pardalis]

....so whats new?

That's right. When Israel mistreats the Palestinians, we never hear the end of it, it's thread after thread with 20 pages of inflamed discussion, but when Arabs mistreat Palestinians, it's "what's new?"

Double standards much?

You got nothing more to say than "what's new"?