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Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
That's why books by Norman Geisler and Ralph Muncaster sell. They are designed to be read with sense, reason, and intellect.
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I agree, they should be read with sense, reason and intellect. It is just unfortunate that they weren't written with sense, reason or intellect.
 
If it may please the court, I would like to submit the observation that DOC has avoided defending his claim that Psalm 22 is a prophecy of Jesus.

Evidence as it stands:
1. Original Hebrew text contained the term kari, not Karu.
2. Kari translates "like a lion" not pierce
3. karu translates as "to dig or shriveled" not pierce.
4. Psalm 22 is written from the standpoint of a man not a man/god
5. Psalm 22 speaks of present sorrow which will be replaced by joy from the coming of god's kingdom, a popular theme in the apocalyptic cults
6. The Gospel writers wrote Jesus saying "my god, my god.." as an intentional allusion to this popular apocalyptic Psalm
7. The early Christian cult emerged from the Apocalyptic cults.

As such, Psalm 22 is no more of a "prophecy" of Jesus than Dracula is a prophecy of Twilight.
 
DOC said:
Akhenaten said:
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I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason and intellect has intended for us to forego their use.

- Galileo Galilei​
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That's why books by Norman Geisler and Ralph Muncaster sell. They are designed to be read with sense, reason, and intellect.
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That went well. Would you like to try 'Circular Arguments' next?

One more quote for the road, perhaps? They seem popular.


"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."

- Susan B. Anthony​


Pretty good, eh DOC?

Appeal to popularity, appeal to authority and quote mining, all in one short post.

Are we learning anything yet?
 
joobz said:
If it may please the court, I would like to submit the observation that DOC has avoided defending his claim that Psalm 22 is a prophecy of Jesus.

Evidence as it stands:
1. Original Hebrew text contained the term kari, not Karu.
2. Kari translates "like a lion" not pierce
3. karu translates as "to dig or shriveled" not pierce.
4. Psalm 22 is written from the standpoint of a man not a man/god
5. Psalm 22 speaks of present sorrow which will be replaced by joy from the coming of god's kingdom, a popular theme in the apocalyptic cults
6. The Gospel writers wrote Jesus saying "my god, my god.." as an intentional allusion to this popular apocalyptic Psalm
7. The early Christian cult emerged from the Apocalyptic cults.

As such, Psalm 22 is no more of a "prophecy" of Jesus than Dracula is a prophecy of Twilight.
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Agreed. The court finds in favor of the defendant. Bailiff Akhenaten, please take the plantiff out back and dip him in the foetid kim chee as is the customary punishment of those who would go for in excess of 1000 posts in a given thread without providing a single shred of evidence.

* kmortis bangs gavel
 
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And further, after the dipping in the chee, he shall be taken to a place of the courts choosing, and there the felon shall hang by the neck until he comes to his senses. ;)
 
kmortis said:
Agreed. The court finds in favor of the defendant. Bailiff Akhenaten, please take the plantiff out back and dip him in the foetid kim chee as is the customary punishment of those who would go for in excess of 1000 posts in a given thread without providing a single shred of evidence.

* kmortis bangs gavel
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As it is written, so let it be done.
 
Akhenaten said:
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"I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires."

- Susan B. Anthony​
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So you believe the 11 of 12 apostles and the thousands of other Christians martyrs and even martyrs of other religions who died horrible martyrs death had a personal desire to die this way even if they weren't religious and even if they had no desire to do the will of God.
 
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DOC said:
So you believe the 11 of 12 apostles and the thousands of other Christians martyrs and even martyrs of other religions who died horrible martyrs death had a personal desire to die this way even if they weren't religious and even ir they had no desire to do the will of God.
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What I believe is that I can spot false dichotomies and strawmen from 100 cubits.

Busted!
 
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The poor fools died believing in a life after death. And a delusion of a heavenly God who would reward them the moment they arrived at the pearly gates. Just as Muslims believe today that by sacrificing for Allah will set them up with 72 dark eyed virgins in heaven.
 
DOC said:
So you believe the 11 of 12 apostles and the thousands of other Christians martyrs and even martyrs of other religions who died horrible martyrs death had a personal desire to die this way even if they weren't religious and even ir they had no desire to do the will of God.
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Martyred Apostles!

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joobz said:
If it may please the court, I would like to submit the observation that DOC has avoided defending his claim that Psalm 22 is a prophecy of Jesus.

Evidence as it stands:
1. Original Hebrew text contained the term kari, not Karu.
2. Kari translates "like a lion" not pierce
3. karu translates as "to dig or shriveled" not pierce.
4. Psalm 22 is written from the standpoint of a man not a man/god
5. Psalm 22 speaks of present sorrow which will be replaced by joy from the coming of god's kingdom, a popular theme in the apocalyptic cults
6. The Gospel writers wrote Jesus saying "my god, my god.." as an intentional allusion to this popular apocalyptic Psalm
7. The early Christian cult emerged from the Apocalyptic cults.

As such, Psalm 22 is no more of a "prophecy" of Jesus than Dracula is a prophecy of Twilight.
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kmortis said:
Agreed. The court finds in favor of the defendant.
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Unfortunately it would probably be overturned on appeal because unless Joobz has supernatural knowledge no one knows what the "original" Hebrew text uses for the word in question. In fact logic says it is most likely "pierced" because the word Karu requires an extra vertical line to pass thru the last letter. If that extra vertical line is not there it doesn't make sense to read it as karu. So since it was translated in the 3-2nd century BC as karu it is probable that that extra vertical line was there and thus it was most likely originally written as "pierced".

The translation joobz is referring to (Masoretic) was done almost 1000 years after the (Septuagint) which translated the word as "pierced. Also any politics or bias that might be involved in the translation would not happen in the Septuagint version because it was made 2 to 3 hundred years before Christ. The preponderance of the evidence is that the original written word was most likely karu and thus should be translated "pierced".

Also it would probably be turned over on appeal because there is no evidence that joobz has the supernatural knowledge to know what he said in his #6 above.
 
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