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Has Ryan Mackey debunked Jim Hoffman

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I don't know if the rest of you know but if you do and Mackey did indeed debunk Hoffman post the link so I can read it.

As we all know, Mackey wrote a 300 page critique on Griffin's chapter on the NIST report. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf

Hoffman, however, wrote a critique of Mackey's work.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf

I know mackey debunked Kevin Ryan twice. but i don't know if Mackey wrote something debunking Hoffman. So did Mackey write something countering Hoffman cuase I couldn't find anything.
 
Luntoc said:
I don't know if the rest of you know but if you do and Mackey did indeed debunk Hoffman post the link so I can read it.

As we all know, Mackey wrote a 300 page critique on Griffin's chapter on the NIST report. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf

Hoffman, however, wrote a critique of Mackey's work.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf

I know mackey debunked Kevin Ryan twice. but i don't know if Mackey wrote something debunking Hoffman. So did Mackey write something countering Hoffman cuase I couldn't find anything.
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Nobody on this forum has ever debunked anything. Not a single thing, ever. They either just pretend they have or try and muddy the waters a bit and call it a debunking.
 
vinniem said:
Nobody on this forum has ever debunked anything. Not a single thing, ever. They either just pretend they have or try and muddy the waters a bit and call it a debunking.
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Pretty much everything is debunked. 10 minute procedures was debunked by a real researcher, Mike Williams. No plane hit the pentagon is debunked by the witnesses, black box, DNA evidence, passenger artifacts, charred bodies, and even common sense. Stewart's plane was intercepted in over an hour not 20 minutes. Cheney was never in charge of NORAD. The put options were placed because of a combination of falling stock prices and bad news. Top pentagon officials cancelled their flight plans to leave the building that was going to be targeted the next day. Not one single CD expert in the world agrees that the Twin Towers was a CD, not a single one. The lost trillions were announced several times before 9/11. Marvin Bush left Securacom before his brother was ever even elected. The hijackers are not alive is debunked by even common sense. The passengers are on the manifest. All those fantasies are debunked with even the least reseach. So don't spill out your nonsense.
 
vinniem said:
Nobody on this forum has ever debunked anything. Not a single thing, ever. They either just pretend they have or try and muddy the waters a bit and call it a debunking.
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Well I don't know about the rest, but you, as a forum member, certainly hasn't proven anything EXCEPT your ability to BS.

As for Mackey and Hoffman, what has Hoffman put out that is any different then the regurgitated crap that Gage and DRG put out? If there is anything unique to Hoffman, please, present it.

TAM:)
 
vinniem said:
Nobody on this forum has ever debunked anything. Not a single thing, ever. They either just pretend they have or try and muddy the waters a bit and call it a debunking.
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Muddying the truth movement's waters is like farting in a toxic waste dump.
 
Luntoc said:
I don't know if the rest of you know but if you do and Mackey did indeed debunk Hoffman post the link so I can read it.

As we all know, Mackey wrote a 300 page critique on Griffin's chapter on the NIST report. http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf

Hoffman, however, wrote a critique of Mackey's work.
http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/Mackey_drg_nist_review_2_1.pdf

I know mackey debunked Kevin Ryan twice. but i don't know if Mackey wrote something debunking Hoffman. So did Mackey write something countering Hoffman cuase I couldn't find anything.
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I can't for the life of me figure out why he would bother. Hoffman is self debunking, just read Mackeys white paper (the one he "critiqued").
 
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vinniem said:
Nobody on this forum has ever debunked anything. Not a single thing, ever. They either just pretend they have or try and muddy the waters a bit and call it a debunking.
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Oh come on. Dude. The evidence that what you call the "official story" is the narrative that most closely fits ALL the available evidence of what happened that day is copious, compelling, and available in the public domain for all to see and scrutinize. If you think THAT is "muddying the waters" then you're not as bright as you think you are.

Don't agree with it, call it all faked, call it planted, call it whatever, but don't insult our intelligence (and yours) by claiming it doesn't exist.
 
vinniem said:
Nobody on this forum has ever debunked anything. Not a single thing, ever. They either just pretend they have or try and muddy the waters a bit and call it a debunking.
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Where as the truth movement has....ummmm, uhhh..... well apparently they have cookies.
 
Luntoc said:
Pretty much everything is debunked. 10 minute procedures was debunked by a real researcher, Mike Williams. No plane hit the pentagon is debunked by the witnesses, black box, DNA evidence, passenger artifacts, charred bodies, and even common sense. Stewart's plane was intercepted in over an hour not 20 minutes. Cheney was never in charge of NORAD. The put options were placed because of a combination of falling stock prices and bad news. Top pentagon officials cancelled their flight plans to leave the building that was going to be targeted the next day. Not one single CD expert in the world agrees that the Twin Towers was a CD, not a single one. The lost trillions were announced several times before 9/11. Marvin Bush left Securacom before his brother was ever even elected. The hijackers are not alive is debunked by even common sense. The passengers are on the manifest. All those fantasies are debunked with even the least reseach. So don't spill out your nonsense.
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What you just said has been debunked 110 times.
 
Just a little clue, my delightful little medieval friend; saying something doesn't make it true.
 
Jim Hoffman debunks himself:

Equipment Procurement

The following table lists the materials required for both Towers.
part quantity
20"x20"x3/4" ceiling tile with embedded thin-film explosive and 2-channel wireless micro-detonator 1,000,000
12"x12"x3/4" ceiling tile with embedded thin-film explosive and 2-channel wireless micro-detonator 800,000
10-lb nano-thermite kicker charge with 2-channel wireless detonator in fire-protective capsule disguised as fire extinguisher 100
5 gallon thermate coating compound 20
spray applicator with flexible snake hose and integrated borescope 2
2-channel wireless high-temperature igniter 100
20-channel 200W RF repeater with UPS 240
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Two million exploding ceiling tiles? Seriously?
 
vinniem said:
Nobody on this forum has ever debunked anything. Not a single thing, ever. They either just pretend they have or try and muddy the waters a bit and call it a debunking.
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Ever? Personally I don't know much of what happened here before I joined.
 
vinniem said:
Nobody on this forum has ever debunked anything. Not a single thing, ever. They either just pretend they have or try and muddy the waters a bit and call it a debunking.
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And your evidence? Yes, you post off topic tripe and left your evidence where?

This is cool, you offer zero support for Hoffman who has thermite in the ceiling tiles with thousands of receivers to set off each ceiling tile. Self debunking tripe like you posts.
 
I think the difficulty here comes in defining the word "debunked". Truthers do this in two different ways.

When it comes to talking about the "official story", just about anything they come up with apparently qualifes as a solid debunking. So, for instance, in his book "The 9/11 Commission Report-Omissions and Distortions", David Ray Griffin states that the hijacker identifications have been "shown to be incorrect". Not just that doubts have been raised, not simply that there are questions to be answered: it's a definitive "shown to be incorrect".

When it comes to evaluating debunkings of truthers own statements, though, the standards mysteriously become far, far higher. So, for instance, on 911myths I can point to major problems with the "hijacker still alive" stories; I can point out, for instance, that the BBC's Waleed Al Shehri has a different name to the hijacker, a different age, a different face, a different job, a different family. However, it seems that unless I can personally provide DNA samples (or something similar) then none of this has any value at all.

So, "Has Ryan Mackey debunked Jim Hoffman"? Truthers will forever say "no", because they'll always demand more of their detractors than they do of themselves. But don't let it worry you, it's not like it matters what truthers think.
 
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