CIT Fraud Revealed

[BCR]

Sorry, not buying your feigned disgust on ´misrepresentation´ based on my recent ´debate´ with you on these witnesses.

YOU are the one calling Edward Paik a liar.

First, I could care less about what you buy and don't buy. Second, I am not calling Paik a liar, I am calling Craig and Alpo liars.

 

[Edx]

Because it was FREAKIN' HUGE and it was far lower than it was supposed to be and looked far bigger than it was supposed to look.

It's scary. The human response is to duck.

Conspiracy theorists dont understand what its like in the real world.

if they hear "explosion" it means bombs, if they hear someone "ducked" it means it was virtually on top of them.

 

[mudlark]

His path illustrates the shadow path. Go ahead. Put a 124' 10" wingspan centered over his line in front of the Sheraton. The wing clips the Sheraton. End of story. Shinki Paik could have not seen the fuselage or the shadow of flight 77 from inside the shop office had it flown via Edwards illustration given the azimuth and altitude of the sun at that location that time of day on that date.

There ya go. 124.52ft
getting desperate now AWSmith?

Deb Analuf
14th floor Sheraton Hotel

"Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window," Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning. "You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible.¨

 

[CurtC]

That the CIT guys included Paik's statements cracks me up. The fact that he saw the plane at all, whether directly overhead or somewhat to the south of him, completely disproves the North of Citgo idea. It would be impossible for a plane at high speed to go over Paik, North of the Citgo, and then turn to be at the hole at the Pentagon.

I made this years ago:

 

[Edx]

There ya go. 124.52ft
getting desperate now AWSmith?

Deb Analuf
14th floor Sheraton Hotel

You aren't suggesting they could actually touch it are you?

 

[tsig]

I told you mudlark, we are saving the best for last. Just giving you time to dig the hole deeper.

tsig post #86:

"He'll claim he knew it all along and it somehow proves his point."


Just have Randi send me my million in small unmarked bills.

 

[A W Smith]

http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/buckwheat_bucket/paikwingspan.jpg

There ya go. 124.52ft
getting desperate now AWSmith?

Deb Analuf
14th floor Sheraton Hotel

Looks like i'm not the one who's desperate
Thread the needle much Craig? This is also the second time you used Edwards difficulty with the English language to throw ambiguity on his testimony.

 

[mudlark]

Because it was FREAKIN' HUGE and it was far lower than it was supposed to be and looked far bigger than it was supposed to look.

It's scary. The human response is to duck.

Yeah, I´ve been saying that for a LONG time as regards the Route 27 witnesses and Sean Boger. But because I said it, I´m apparently calling them ´liars´.

I´m not nor have I ever said that Ed Paik didn´t ´duck´. He ducked in the CIT video interview BUT went on to describe what he saw.
His testimony is in his own words. The flightpath was drawn and signed by HIM.
What I´m questioning is why he would duck given the alleged 450ft agl of the plane ACROSS the road from him apparently NOT going over his shop and the Annex as he states.

 

[leftysergeant]

Conspiracy theorists dont understand what its like in the real world.

if they hear "explosion" it means bombs, if they hear someone "ducked" it means it was virtually on top of them.

Having spent a lot of time less than ten feet from the edge of a runway, even an F-4 looks like it takes up half the sky as it lines up for a landing. A bit intimidating the first time you see it.

And if you see it in a context which suggests that it is about to crash, it is even more intimidating. Every bit of your attention is focused on that big threatening moving object.

 

[mudlark]

Looks like i'm not the one who's desperate
Thread the needle much Craig? This is also the second time you used Edwards difficulty with the English language to throw ambiguity on his testimony.

There is no ambiguity regarding his flightpath drawing.
As leftysergeant has just said, the plane was ´FREAKIN HUGE!´
Passing by a hotel window at 350mph. She contradicts the official path AND backs up Paik´s placement of the plane.
You said the plane´s wingspan was too large to fly by the Sheraton given Paik´s drawing. You were wrong. Again.
Even given any margin of error. The plane can fly that path.
End of story.

 

[A W Smith]

There is no ambiguity regarding his flightpath drawing.
As leftysergeant has just said, the plane was ´FREAKIN HUGE!´
Passing by a hotel window at 350mph. She contradicts the official path AND backs up Paik´s placement of the plane.
You said the plane´s wingspan was too large to fly by the Sheraton given Paik´s drawing. You were wrong. Again.
Even given any margin of error. The plane can fly that path.
End of story.

Passing by the hotel window? Are you for real? What pilot would do that?
I need to post this image again.

 

[twinstead]

There is no ambiguity regarding his flightpath drawing.
As leftysergeant has just said, the plane was ´FREAKIN HUGE!´
Passing by a hotel window at 350mph. She contradicts the official path AND backs up Paik´s placement of the plane.
You said the plane´s wingspan was too large to fly by the Sheraton given Paik´s drawing. You were wrong. Again.
Even given any margin of error. The plane can fly that path.
End of story.

I just bet you wish you had a witness to that 'FREAKIN HUGE' plane pulling up and roaring over the top of the Pentagon, huh?

 

[mudlark]

That the CIT guys included Paik's statements cracks me up. The fact that he saw the plane at all, whether directly overhead or somewhat to the south of him, completely disproves the North of Citgo idea. It would be impossible for a plane at high speed to go over Paik, North of the Citgo, and then turn to be at the hole at the Pentagon.

I made this years ago:
[qimg]http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/kikapurider/CITGO2.jpg[/qimg]

Ed Paik´s very insistence that the plane flew over the Navy Annex AT ALL contradicts the official path fatally.
If you watch the video of him making the path above he first pinpoints where he KNEW the plane was supposed to have impacted and draws the line you show so that the point of where he saw the plane fly over the building and the ´impact zone´ meet up.
He places the plane at an angle going over the roof.

Please do NOT pull the manipulated translation of him ´pointing South´ as I have thoroughly debunked this and shown it for what it is. Pure manipulation.
He was pointing at the roof to give an idea of the ALTITUDE of the plane.

 

[mudlark]

Passing by the hotel window? Are you for real? What pilot would do that?
I need to post this image again.
[qimg]http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/AWSmith1955/Aone.jpg[/qimg]

You are talking literally (not wanting to use banned words on this forum)

Ask Deb Analuf. Is she lying too Smith?

The alleged path through the lightpoles missing the VDOT cam mast isn´t an ´eye of a needle´ manouevre either? Incredible.
You have no problem whatsoever believing that Hani Hanjur pulled off the manouevres including the low level lawn approach yet you doubt this scenario?

You guys trip yourselves up at every turn.

Post another ´laughin dog´

 

[mudlark]

I just bet you wish you had a witness to that 'FREAKIN HUGE' plane pulling up and roaring over the top of the Pentagon, huh?

Bet you wish you had ONE SOC witness?
I know which would catch MY eye more..a ´FREAKIN HUGE´ explosion.

Roosevelt Roberts saw a FREAKIN HUGE ´commercial plane´ ´after the explosion hit´ ´50-100 ft agl´..

 

[A W Smith]

You are talking literally (not wanting to use banned words on this forum)

Ask Deb Analuf. Is she lying too Smith?

The alleged path through the lightpoles missing the VDOT cam mast isn´t an ´eye of a needle´ manouevre either? Incredible.
You have no problem whatsoever believing that Hani Hanjur pulled off the manouevres including the low level lawn approach yet you doubt this scenario?

You guys trip yourselves up at every turn.

Post another ´laughin dog´

Texas sharpshooter fallacy much Craig? Hanjour didn't miss the VDOT camera pole. And You know that. Also didn't miss the tree top to the north of the VDOT cam pole at the overpass. And damn near crashed into the lawn. But didn't. So what of it? Why would ANY pilot fly so close to the Sheraton looming in his windscreen? Shock and awe for poor Debbie? She saw a shadow. Which was cast upon the Sheraton.

 

[A W Smith]

Bet you wish you had ONE SOC witness?
..

Morin

 

[DGM]

Bet you wish you had ONE SOC witness?
I know which would catch MY eye more..a ´FREAKIN HUGE´ explosion.

Roosevelt Roberts saw a FREAKIN HUGE ´commercial plane´ ´after the explosion hit´ ´50-100 ft agl´..

So all your witnesses were wrong on that aspect but dead nut on as far as the fast moving flight path. Got it.

 

[twinstead]

mudlark, your position is untenable. I can only guess at your motivation for continuing to argue something as ludicrous as the plane pretending to crash into the Pentagon, then veering up and screaming over the top of the building as a decoy explosion is detonated--and believing that without a shred of evidence or eye witness accounts of a flyover.

All because a few anomalous witnesses don't jive with the commonly-held narrative of the flight path. Whatever. It's freaky crazy.

 

[CurtC]

Ed Paik´s very insistence that the plane flew over the Navy Annex AT ALL contradicts the official path fatally.

If the plane actually went over the Annex Building it requires a slight modification to where we otherwise think it went exactly. I will agree to that.

What you didn't address, however, is my main point. If it went over Paik and eventually went to the location of the Pentagon hole, there is no way that it could have gone on the North side of the Citgo station, as you can tell from the photo I posted above.

I mean, we can discuss the accuracy of Paik's estimation that it went over the Annex. That's hard to tell from his statements and drawings. But if you believe that he saw the plane at all, it's fatal to the "North of Citgo" idea.