CIT Fraud Revealed

[HyJinX]

Bet you wish you had ONE SOC witness?
I know which would catch MY eye more..a ´FREAKIN HUGE´ explosion.

Roosevelt Roberts saw a FREAKIN HUGE ´commercial plane´ ´after the explosion hit´ ´50-100 ft agl´..

Bet you wish, after all the time, money and effort you've put into your NoC claims and research, that you didn't have to constantly defend it and that people would just buy into it so you would be whatever it is you want to be. You've been at this quite a while now...don't you think that if your "evidence" had any merit to it that that the 9/11 truth movement would embrace you and that you'd be known all over the world for bringing down the evil gubmit?

...or are you simply satisfied with continually arguing your non-existent gobble-de-gook on internet forums?

 

[leftysergeant]

Can Paik even see the Navy Annex from his shop? I didn't see it in the video or the GIF. Are you sure he has even visualized the position of the Annex in relation to his shop?

As for Anlauf, the palne looked almost close enough to touch because, from her position, it looked FREAKIN' HUGE.

I well remember one incident when I had mechanical problems on my truck dead in the middle of the runway at Seymour-Johnson just as a BUFF was about to land on minimum fuel. I barely managed to get off the runway. When the plane passed me, it looked roughly the size of battleship. Panic can distort your perception of size and distance.

 

[JimBenArm]

Can Paik even see the Navy Annex from his shop? I didn't see it in the video or the GIF. Are you sure he has even visualized the position of the Annex in relation to his shop?

As for Anlauf, the palne looked almost close enough to touch because, from her position, it looked FREAKIN' HUGE.

I well remember one incident when I had mechanical problems on my truck dead in the middle of the runway at Seymour-Johnson just as a BUFF was about to land on minimum fuel. I barely managed to get off the runway. When the plane passed me, it looked roughly the size of battleship. Panic can distort your perception of size and distance.

So you're saying a battleship almost landed on you?

 

[leftysergeant]

So you're saying a battleship almost landed on you?

Actually, I just took people's word that it was a b-52. But it did look big enough to be a battle ship. Of course a battleship would not have been moving 800MPH.

 

[JimBenArm]

Actually, I just took people's word that it was a b-52. But it did look big enough to be a battle ship. Of course a battleship would not have been moving 800MPH.

According to truther math, it could move twice that speed.

 

[Dave Rogers]

According to truther math, it could move twice that speed.

Let's see. Length (160 feet) x maximum takeoff weight (488,000lb) / service ceiling (50,000 feet) = 1560mph.

Damn it, you're right!

Dave

 

[Mr.Herbert]

Can Paik even see the Navy Annex from his shop? I didn't see it in the video or the GIF. Are you sure he has even visualized the position of the Annex in relation to his shop?

Here is the view.

 

[tsig]

According to truther math, it could move twice that speed.

I think the debunker picture is becoming clear.

Battleships traveling at 1600 mph hit the buildings.

You debunkers official story just keeps getting more and more weird.

ETA: sorry to see you've drunk the Kool Aid Dave but with all your math you forgot one thing. It would take an experienced captain to aim his boat and hit those towers not some troglodyte towel wearers.

 

[Dumb All Over]

Hi Mudlark,

I'm sure my question has has been answered before but I can't seem to find it in the forums. It is important for perspective's sake that I know who I'm directing questions and answers to. Are you Craig or are you Aldo?

Thanks,
DAO

 

[jaydeehess]

[qimg]http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/buckwheat_bucket/paikwingspan.jpg[/qimg]

There ya go. 124.52ft
getting desperate now AWSmith?

Interesting!
Although this is where he draws the path of the plane it would put the plane more than twice its wingspan north of the VDOT tower which the next day Paik speculates may have been clipped by the plane.
We note that if Paik was in the parking lot where the CiT interviewed him he cannot see the roof of the Annex but he can see the VDOT tower.

At best this suggests that Paik's drawing is incorrect. It is unlikely that he would have wondered if the plane had clipped the tower if he never saw the plane anywhere close top the tower and especially if it were more than a wingspan north. However given that he cannot see the Annex from where he was he could easily be incorrect in his estimation of where the Annex is.

Now if the port wing actually was within a few feet of the Sheraton (as Alauf's literal statement suggests) AND the center of the fuselage within 75 feet of the VDOT tower (which would certainly allow Paik's next day consideration to be a valid speculation) it would mean that the plane was essentially following Columbia Pike, along a path that would take it south of the Citgo.

 

[jaydeehess]

Can Paik even see the Navy Annex from his shop? I didn't see it in the video or the GIF. Are you sure he has even visualized the position of the Annex in relation to his shop?

As for Anlauf, the palne looked almost close enough to touch because, from her position, it looked FREAKIN' HUGE.

I well remember one incident when I had mechanical problems on my truck dead in the middle of the runway at Seymour-Johnson just as a BUFF was about to land on minimum fuel. I barely managed to get off the runway. When the plane passed me, it looked roughly the size of battleship. Panic can distort your perception of size and distance.

An additional anecdote;

I was at the glideslope shack and done my work there when I asked ATC ground control for clearance back to the shop. It was refused as there were several inbound aircraft. I was told to call back in 30 minutes. I went out to watch the planes land which put me only a few dozen feet from the edge of the runway.

I watched as the first a/c came in, a 747. It seemed slow and unspectacular until it touched down. Only then is it obvious that it is moving at 2 1/2 to 3 times a car's highway speed and just how freakin huge it really is. As it passed me I could have sworn that I was under the wing, and the main gear, and possibly the nose gear as well, was definately on the ground.

Even without panic one's estimation of the size, distance and elevation of an aircraft can be quite a bit off. I had time to watch a plane, which I had utterly no trepidation about, come in while the 9/11 witnesses had seconds as they witnessed an aircraft that they did not know was coming and which was well off the path of aircraft they were used to being on approach to National.
I wonder how that might affect their accuracy?

Now, mudlark, we have already established that if Paik and Morin saw the plane then it was not where Middleton put it over Patton Drive.
Correct or not?

 

[beachnut]

math is good, CIT is mathless

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76 degrees of bank and 4.1 Gs to make it to the flyover not counting time to roll in and out; oops, another impossible turn; unless you have a witness who saw 76 degrees of bank. Got one?

It is funny Paik points to the south flight path and you post a 76 degree bank turn required lie, delusion, pure stupid turn that never happened. Do you get paid to post idiotic delusions?

How fast does a 757 roll into 76 degree of bank? This if real funny because by the time the jets rolls into 76 degree of bank after passing the CITGO, it would be past the Pentagon and miss the flyover. Math is a real good thing to have when you work with CIT and p4t who can't do math. Did you try physics? Got any skills beside posting lies from CIT?

Please tell us the roll rate for the 757; got any clues?

 

[Gamolon]

Yep, Craig made a new little video covering Shinki.



Thanks Craig! You just verified the 'official flight path' and revealed that you were aware that Paik was NOT where you filmed him for your 'fantasy recreation'. You guys crack me up

Question.

People are bring up "shadows".

At 1:47-1:48 in the video above, Shinki says that a shadow of the plane appeared INSIDE his office. If the center/body of the plane was over TOP of his office, is it possible for a shadow to be cast IN his office?

If you take the end of the wingtip (62 feet from center) and with the sun being at 42 degrees, doesn't that put the plane's wingtip at a height of about 55ft?

Am I looking this right?

 

[DGM]

The plane in that case would have hit the Sheridon (?) hotel.

 

[W.D.Clinger]

Fish in a barrel...

You want ONE NOC flightpath from a group of eyewitnesses?
Balsamo has done the math using numerous parameters including the official 540mph speed.
I´ve linked to it 10 times.
Your own ´expert´ already admitted that there had been no math done in response to debunk it.

Yes, mudlark has linked to the Balsamo/Desideri paper many times. Several of us have pointed out that pages 1 and 4 of that paper contain mistakes. Instead of addressing the math, mudlark's been telling us to take it up with Balsamo, whose 11.2g/10.14g/2223g/58g calculations were off by a factor of 5 to 1000+ and have become a running joke.

I´ve been following your posts champ on other threads. SAME words over and over.
No links, no math, nothing.
The math HAS been provided.
Bye bye. You´re on ignore bore.

Oh dear: mudlark appears to be telling fibs.


Several people here have provided links to legitimate mathematics that refute mudlark's and/or Balsamo's assertions. It is mudlark who has steadfastly refused to discuss mathematics or physics here.

You can't calculate where the shadow would be without knowing the altitude of the plane. If the plane "almost hit my roof" as Edward claimed and was "only about 3 feet above the Navy Annex" as claimed by Darius Prather there is no reason it couldn't have cast a shadow over Shinki's shop from the north path.

North of the Tropic of Cancer, it would be quite remarkable for any object's solar shadow to fall south of the object itself. I'm talking about planet Earth, of course; shadows may behave differently on TrutherWorld.

 

[twinstead]

Trutherworld would be a cool addition to Walt Disney World. There could be the roller coaster sensation called Squib of Terror, a holographic plane ride, manufactured phone calls from famous people, Idiots of the Caribbean, Haunted Klinkety Klunk Mansion.

If they serve beer I'm THERE!

 

[CompusMentus]

Trutherworld would be a cool addition to Walt Disney World. There could be the roller coaster sensation called Squib of Terror, a holographic plane ride, manufactured phone calls from famous people, Idiots of the Caribbean, Haunted Klinkety Klunk Mansion.
If they serve beer I'm THERE!

:=]


errrm "One Flew Over the Pentagon"? "North Side Story"? "Rebel Without the Foggiest"?

I'll get me coat........


Compus

 

[CurtC]

I wouldn't visit any amusement parks where my safety depends on the engineering expertise of Truthers.

 

[jaydeehess]

The plane in that case would have hit the Sheridon (?) hotel.

,and possibly the Annex? 55 feet is only 5 stories

 

[Pi_314]

Body and a shadow of a body?


Thats what it sounds like at the 2.29 mark of the irreconcilable brothers film with ole Eddy the mechanic. Sometimes you miss things when editing to commit fraud. I'll wager the unedited version would be a laugh a minute. Bet you will never see that version.