UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

[RoboTimbo]

I asked for a BEST CASE and continue to do so. His opinion is that there is NO BEST CASE but all of these reasonably/questionably best cases seem to add up to a BEST CASE. Twice nothing is still nothing.

At least he was right about something.

 

[GeeMack]

My 2 cents, you guys should stop responding to the walls of text and demand a best case hypothesis. Rewarding his / her behavior with serious rebuttals obviously just keeps it going.

That would be good advice, except it will be ignored by the few people who actually believe they're going to say just the right thing that will penetrate Rramjet's thick skull. Yes, amazingly there are those.

And for the others, it's not about evidence or the logical fallacies that Rramjet and his sycophants mistakenly believe to be evidence. It hasn't been about that since maybe page 2. It's about talking UFO crap. The people indulging the troll are perpetuating the discussion because they're having just as much fun playing as Rramjet is.

 

[Toke]

The people indulging the troll are perpetuating the discussion because they're having just as much fun playing as Rramjet is.

And what is the problem.

 

[tsig]

It means Rramjet will now move the goalposts.

1. Shift the burden of proof
* demand that skeptics offer mundane explanations
2. Strawman
* argue that the skeptics explanation does not fit the witness testimony
3. Argument from ignorance
* since mundane explanations don't fit witness testimony, must be alien

This has been Rramjet's modus operandi for the whole thread. The fact that he doesn't see anything wrong with it speaks volumes about his claim to being a scientist.

You can always claim the mean skeptics will not let you investigate it.

 

[Marduk]

My 2 cents, you guys should stop responding to the walls of text and demand a best case hypothesis. Rewarding his / her behavior with serious rebuttals obviously just keeps it going.

my 2 cents, you should actually go back and read the rest of the thread, I havent bothered with all of it, but from what I was here for hes done that 3 times already
his first best case was the Gay Rodeo blimp

 

[carlitos]

Despite searching, I couldn't quite find the first mention of that, but if it was in the form of a testable hypothesis like "extra-terrestrial aliens were piloting this craft" and it turned out it was a blimp, I guess you could end the thread and spoil the fun.

 

[Marduk]

Despite searching, I couldn't quite find the first mention of that, but if it was in the form of a testable hypothesis like "extra-terrestrial aliens were piloting this craft" and it turned out it was a blimp, I guess you could end the thread and spoil the fun.

Actually, now I remember, it was in a previous thread that someone suggested to Rrrrroger that he should get his best evidence together and start a new thread if he had something to prove. Tapio was instrumental in getting the rogue river ufo chosen as a best case suggesting to me that as I was such a "smartarse" as he put it that I should attempt to offer an alternative explanation for the sighting
and Rramjet readily agreed to it,

so its in the other thread
which I can't remember the name for
I'm sure some pedant here though will shortly be pointing it out with the relevant post and links


p.s. this has become my 5 cents

 

[Sledge]

I wonder which is the best of Rramjet's best cases? I like the Rogue River case. And I also like Father Gill. But which is best? There's only one way to find out...

FIIIIIGHT!!!

I don't think Rramjet has any sort of testable hypothesis, and I don't think he understands what that means or why it's important. Of course, he might always prove me wrong by posting his hypothesis.

 

[Correa Neto]

I guess it would be "intelligent agencies acting outside the bounds of what we commonly accept to be the limits of the natural world” (whatever that means)...

Is it testable? I guess quite possibly. If UFOs created by "intelligent agencies acting outside the bounds of what we commonly accept to be the limits of the natural world” (whatever that means) are real and are buzzing (or humming, or thundering or just being silent) while flying around as described by UFOlogy lore, then at least one of the pieces of reliable evidence exposed below should be available.

1. Clear sharp imagery with the propper provenance of something just like the shape-shifting UFO allegedly seen over Iran or the one allegedly seen by Father Gill or the one allegedly seen by Zamora or the one allegedly seen by the Hills or the one allegedly seen by Villas-Boas...

2. Reliable records of radar contacts of UFOs performing the alleged maneauvers which are physically impossible or beyond our technical reach...

3. At least a piece of hardware beyond our technology, preferentially with isotopic composition indicating its not from this world...

4. A specimen of an "intelligent agent from outside the bounds of what we commonly accept to be the limits of the natural world" (whatever that means)...

Hey, UFOlogists, got some of the above? Note that rumours about Area 51, Roswell et al., rumours about alleged physical effects, eyewitnesses reports as well as images which are blurry and/or suspected of being hoaxes images do not meet the standards.

The answer is: No.

The outcome? Hypothesis fails.

 

[Marduk]

I guess it would be "intelligent agencies acting outside the bounds of what we commonly accept to be the limits of the natural world” .

I'm sorry, can you clarify, is this part of Rramjets hypothesis or your optimistic description of Rramjets mind ?

 

[Correa Neto]

Its Rramjet's hypothesis, check carefully the sentence!

 

[Marduk]

Its Rramjet's hypothesis, check carefully the sentence!

spoilsport

 

[Correa Neto]

Hey, gotta make sure the money I get from the NWO, the illuminati, the reptillian aliens, the freemasons and [add secret conspiratory organization of your choice here] to spread disinformation among the sheeple is well deserved!

 

[chuck4842]

Hey, gotta make sure the money I get from the NWO, the illuminati, the reptillian aliens, the freemasons and [add secret conspiratory organization of your choice here] to spread disinformation among the sheeple is well deserved!

I Knew it! I knew it! Can I join? Please? I'll swear bloody oaths, ridicule the enemy, point and laugh, ...I can do dat. Let me in somebody.

 

[Akhenaten]

I Knew it! I knew it! Can I join? Please? I'll swear bloody oaths, ridicule the enemy, point and laugh, ...I can do dat. Let me in somebody.

Report to the Strahoff and ask for Lara. She will contact the nearest blimp and arrange your pickup. Tell no-one.

The Jade Monkey is in the glove compartment.

 

[wollery]

I Knew it!

Really?

I knew it!

You've already said that.

Can I join?

No.

Please?

I said no!

I'll swear bloody oaths,

We don't like that sort of language, thank you very much.

ridicule the enemy,

There is no enemy, only those we permit to live in ignorance, and they're already ridiculous, so no need to ridicule them.

point and laugh,

Please don't, it's very silly.

...I can do dat.

I have no idea what "dat" is, but kindly stop doing it now. It looks disgusting.

Let me in somebody.

Somebody isn't here, you'll have to come back later.

 

[Stray Cat]

Alternatively, if you are in the UK, you could report to the nearest Secret Bunker. They are easy to find here in England as they are very well signposted:

From there, we can transport you to the NWO Lizardkings hideout in Swindon (who'd a thought it?), on one of our many secretly marked unmarked military helicopters:

Shhhhh!.... you aint seen me right.

 

[Access Denied]

Got the idea now?

Nope, but who cares what I think… what do you think he saw?

This is what Zamora endorsed as an accurate representation of what he saw.

Bummer, looks like something out of a really bad science-fiction movie.

Got any pictures of an alien spaceship we can compare it to?

Nothing he drew “looks like an overturned car”, but THAT’s the whole point…he did NOT SEE an overturned car… He saw an egg-shaped object.

Wrong, he did see an overturned car… or, at least, he thought he did. He also saw an “egg-shaped” object… or, at least, he thought he did.

That’s the whole point…

Got the idea now?

[please don’t answer that… I already know you don’t]

 

[Akhenaten]

Alternatively, if you are in the UK, you could report to the nearest Secret Bunker. They are easy to find here in England as they are very well signposted:

<PML, almost literally>

Seekritly nominated.

 

[Stray Cat]

Secret thanks to Akhenaten, The strangest thing of course being that photo wasn't even photoshopped... those signs really exist here in the UK.

Back to business and what was seen in the desert by Zamora:

http://i246.photobucket.com/albums/gg117/ThePsychoClown/UFOlicopter.jpg