UFOs: The Research, the Evidence

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Actually, that statement is going too far. I would not say that the ET hypothesis does not fit ANY evidence – we have the []sightings of “alien” beings, we have “technological” craft, we have supposed “statements” from the “aliens” themselves… so there IS evidence… however the point is do we believe them when they tell us that they are from (for example) Zeta Reticuli… I contend that we should not.

We don't have confirmed sightings, confirmed technological crafts or confirmed statements from alien beings. We have witnesses claiming (at best) that this is what they experienced.

The debunkers here are very quick to propose mundane solutions based on no evidence (helicopters and a Lunar Surveyor for the Zamora case for example - or at least an implausible scenario involving the military taking a multimillion dollar piece of equipment 100 miles away from the testing range and into a small New Mexico town. That sort of “explanation” really DOES require evidence and none has so far been forthcoming. That directly refutes you contention above).

Yeah, and no evidence for alien origin has been forthcomming either. So we still have UFOs and not IFOs, alien or mundane.

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You just post walls of text saying the same things over and over. That doesn't make it true.
 
We have presented to us potentially one of the greatest mysteries in the history of mankind
This your mere belief, as there is no objective evidence indicating this.

The realisation of “I don’t know” leads us to create hypotheses and then explore those hypotheses to see if they fit the evidence.
So it seems that you have a solution that is looking for a problem.

Your behavior in this thread has completely destroyed your credibility.
 
Argh, can’t let this nonsense stew…

Ummm… perhaps you have not been following this thread very closely then?
How rude… if anyone hasn’t been paying attention it’s you.

The debunkers here are very quick to propose mundane solutions based on no evidence (helicopters and a Lunar Surveyor for the Zamora case for example - or at least an implausible scenario involving the military taking a multimillion dollar piece of equipment 100 miles away from the testing range and into a small New Mexico town. That sort of “explanation” really DOES require evidence and none has so far been forthcoming. That directly refutes you contention above).
That you choose to ignore the supporting evidence that has been presented so far including one perfectly realistic scenario for your chosen example above and choose to keep repeating this "implausible" argument from your own personal ignorance and incredulity instead is your problem… not anybody’s else’s.

I swear, reading your posts is like watching a fish out of water flopping around and gasping for it’s last dying breath…

P.S. Pay attention, it wouldn't have been the military...
 
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You make unfounded, generalised assertions as if the mere stating of them made them true. As I have shown above, you have NO (repeat NO) evidence to support ANY of your assertions!
Well if I'm wrong about the fingerprints not being photographed, and Cash did supply the car for photographs of the claimed fingerprints molded into the dashboard, I'd be happy to see them... afterall a thorough investigation would certainly have collected as much physical evidence as possible... That is unless, there was nothing to photograph.

Like I already said and don't mind admitting. I read up on this case a few years ago and did a bit of digging around. Yes, I'm fairly sure that the article I read (online) was written by one of the people who actually investigated the incident at the time, but I didn't bookmark the page.
If I get some time, I'll see if I can find it again... Meanwhile, think on this:
Either Cash avoided having the car photographed, or the investigators (UFOlogists) weren't doing their job right. There may of course, be other options but I can't think what they might be.
 
I stated:
“The identity of all eye witnesses has been concealed at their request to safeguard their reputation and job security” (p. 5 - http://www.narcap.org/reports/010/TR10_Case_18a.pdf) Thus your inclusion of the term “anonymous in your description of the witnesses represents an unwarranted and disingenuous attempt to sully the credibility of the witnesses.

Access Denied: You responded:

And yet…
”Airline employee interviews conducted by Hilkevitch (2007) said that they were interviewed by United management and "instructed to write reports and draw pictures of what they observed." They were also allegedly told not to talk about what they saw to anyone. The senior editor could not locate any airline employee who would confirm this allegation.” (p. 19)

And…

“During a TV interview on CNN one of the [anonymous] witnesses ["Witness B"] said that his airline's management had not pressured him in any way to stay quiet and had only received occasional ribbing from some coworkers.” (p. 20)

I call BS.​

I replied:
” What have these two quotes got to do with witness anonymity?”

Everything, together they demonstrate the need to “safeguard their reputation and job security” for the reasons you were led to believe and/or assumed is evidently unfounded… and from there one might reasonably infer the “witnesses” and/or their “promoters” likely had some ulterior motive for maintaining their anonymity.
How on EARTH does your quotes make the author’s statement that they concealed the witnesses identity at the witnesses own request to safeguard their reputation and job security unfounded?

The first quote cites “airline employee interviews conducted by Hilkevitch” in which UA management asked them to” write reports and draw pictures” and that it was ”alleged” that they were also told not to talk about it. The editors of the report “could not confirm this allegation”.

HOW does this relate to witness anonymity?

The second quote cites a CNN interview with Witness B who confirms that they were NOT told “not to talk about it.”

HOW does THIS relate to witness anonymity?

HOW do the two quotes together relate to witness anonymity?

HOW do you “infer” from the quotes you cited that the “promoters”… (whoever THEY are...Rr.) ”…likely had some ulterior motive for maintaining their anonymity”?!

Furthermore, the fact that I actually need to explain this to you serves as an excellent demonstration for others of your profound naivety in such matters…

[like evaluating the veracity of your sources]

But you HAVE NOT “explained it… have you have lost all pretence to reason and logic?

No, it’s not… but feel free to apologize for calling me a liar again when you figure out when the “original” UFO report by A & D that I stated "started it all" was made public by NUFORC (aka Peter Davenport).

In case you missed it, the “first” NUFORC report now attributed to D was originally submitted by A and was “revised” by who knows who all (at Davenport’s request… go figure) and includes the following “explanation” from Davenport…

“NOTE: This report is a revised version of the original report submitted by this party, or parties. It was revised at NUFORC's request, in order to disguise the person submitting the report. The report accurately address the event, although we are satisfied that the person, or persons, who submitted the report cannot be identified from it. The above facts may be a synthesis of what dozens of individuals saw, summarized by one, or more, persons, who were witness to the activities surround the incident.”

Confused? Wondering who to ask for a refund?
You make a lot of unfounded, generalised assertion without providing EVIDENCE for such assertions in the form of a verifiable reference we can look up. I am entitled to dismiss out of hand your statements until you can provide the EVIDENCE that the quote you just provided – in it’s original context – actually supports your contentions. The quote actually seems quite vague and does NOT directly support your assertions… so please provide the reference link and we can go on from there… otherwise it is merely (again) hogwash!

(So, now suddenly you are also a snake-oil swamp salesman and an expert in alien footwear and alien fashion? LOL)

I stated:
”You are actually serious here? In my opinion, it would seem the only type of person who would make such an accusation as he had a “thing” about kids playing pranks would be one who has that thought in their mind already. That means you, since you made the accusation. The accusation against Zamora is baseless – and what purpose on earth could it serve for you make the accusation with no context attached anyway… you merely “come out” with it… what WAS your purpose in making the “accusation”?
You say that like it’s a bad thing… WTF is up with that?

You mean it hadn’t occurred to you, even though I clearly suggested it to you, that you really need to do some research of your own before jumping to any conclusions… or is there something else entirely on your mind?

That Zamora had a “thing” about kids playing pranks is fairly well known to anyone that's studied this case. For example, from Hynek's report…

“Opal Grinder does have a high school student working for him, and I talked with him at length. Teenagers generally hate Zamora's guts, but it was added that they hate all "fuzz" and that if they wanted to get even with Zamora, they would simply beat him up or do something more direct, like letting the air out of his tires or something with immediate results rather than resort to an involved hoax.”

What do you suppose the kids in town might want to “get even” with Zamora for and why?
What is “WFT”?

A teenager states that “Teenagers generally hated Zamora’s guts”? Are you serious?! BUT ”it was added that they hate all "fuzz"!

HOW do you infer that Zamora had a ”thing about” (your words) [/I]“kids” playing pranks”[/I]????

You have the hearsay evidence of a single teenager … and you can think of NO reasons why “teenagers” might “hate” the “fuzz”!? (even IF it were true, which you have NO evidence for…)

Now read Zamora’s testimony again and note he thought it might be “Floyd Reynold's boy, Vivian, about 17” in Floyd’s new car he was chasing and that he thought the “object” was a car "some kids might have turned over".

Might Zamora have had a “thing” about kids playing pranks and might that suspicion (that is, of course, assuming he wasn’t overly paranoid and seeing a decadent teenager behind every bush) be a better explanation than “small beings, full stop” for his reasoning behind the following statement?

"The only times I saw these two person was when I had stopped, for possibly two seconds or so, to glance at the object. I don’t recall noting any particular shape or possibly any hats or headgear. Those persons appeared normal in shape---but possibly they were small adults or large kids."
You can’t be serious! Has logic and rationality totally deserted you? Zamora was following after a SPEEDING car. He thought he knew who the driver was. So WHAT!? He had cars on his mind.

HOW do you get that Zamora had a “thing” about kids playing pranks from that????

Oh, and now he is “paranoid” too? Your statements are clearly foolish in light of your own quotes.

Zamora states what he saw at the time.

HOW do you get that he had a “thing” about kids playing pranks from that????


Now, please put on your thinking cap… what sort of interrogation questions from Capt. Holder do you think he might he might have been responding to here? Could it have been something like “Did you notice anything unusual about these people? What were they wearing?”

Is it possible Capt. Holder was systematically ruling out for the record the possibility of them wearing anything uniquely identifiable like say, I don’t know… military flight suits and helmets?
WHAT? Have you lost all touch with reality? Considering this in conjunction with your previous statements above, this seems like paranoid madness in my opinion.

Anyway, thank you once again for the opportunity to demonstrate the value of critical thinking skills over the same old tired arguments from ignorance and incredulity…
Access Denied…? What has come over you? Please, next time just re-read over what you have written… or better yet, get a third party to read over your posts before you post them… I cannot understand WHAT has come over you… I am perplexed... Even for members of the JREF, in my opinion, this is a pretty strange post from you…
 
Access Denied…? What has come over you? Please, next time just re-read over what you have written… or better yet, get a third party to read over your posts before you post them… I cannot understand WHAT has come over you… I am perplexed... Even for members of the JREF, in my opinion, this is a pretty strange post from you…


And again you provide evidence that your reading skills are questionable. Have you talked to the principal at your high school about getting you into a remedial reading program? You have been offered reasonable suggestions to overcome your deficiency, so the fact that you don't understand what people are writing is entirely your own fault.
 
(from your source):

“Hydrazine was first used as a rocket fuel during World War II for the Messerschmitt Me 163B

(…)

Hydrazine is also used as a low-power monopropellant for the maneuvering thrusters of spacecraft” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrazine#Safety)


(from your source):

N2O4 is hypergolic with various forms of hydrazine, i.e., they burn on contact without a separate ignition source, making them popular bipropellant rocket fuels. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinitrogen_tetroxide)

Wow, it's almost as though you read my post:
For those who don't know, that's rocket fuel.
Almost.

So Betty Cash was exposed to rocket fuel? I already sated that there were aviation fuels that might cause the injuries… but I also stated that if so, HOW do you propose Cash (and the others) came into contact with it if it was not government (military) negligence?
Just something to bear in mind given the previous speculation about lunar module tests.

I typed a grand total of 25 words for that post, which explicitly stated that the substances I referred to were rocket fuel, and that I mentioned them because of the previous speculation about a rocket possibly being in the area. You respond to that by stating that the substances I referred to were rocket fuel and asking why I would mention them. This says some pretty dire things about either your reading comprehension or your honesty. Given your previous behaviour, I'm inclined to think it's both.

What is stopping you?

Reality.
 
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I DO however claim that perceptual research CAN inform us about eyewitness reports by making us aware of the conditions and circumstances under which perception may be mislead and therefore providing us the ability to examine the case reports in light of this research for such conditions and circumstances.

After saying this you will now reject any case examples of stars being misperceived as UFOs because they imply that some cases may not be UFOs but stars.
 
Of course there are hypotheses that can be tested. Just because YOU cannot think of any does NOT mean that such hypotheses do not exist!

No, it's because YOU won't propose one. Why is that?

More examples for you. Feel free to pick one, or to propose a new one.

In the White Sands case, aliens were at the helm.
A UFO piloted by an alien race was videotaped on x date at y place.
This being from another planet (see photo) was captured by UFO hunters in Area 51.

Look at those hypotheses - all LESS THAN 15 WORDS! Give it a try. Take your best case and propose a hypothesis that we can test.
 
Another example of how historical research can improve the methodologies of future UFO research is to note (for example) how we might improve on current UFO reporting techniques and thus improve the quality of eyewitness testimony.
(http://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/178240.pdf)
(http://www.psychologicalscience.org/journals/pspi/pspi_7_2_article.pdf)

The last time we presented such studies by those investigating eyewitness testimony, you rejected it simply because those conducting the experiments were resorting to tricks (or something akin to that) to trip up the subjects. Now you present another item about eyewitness study. I suggest you read some articles by Loftus. They are very revealing on the matter of eyewitness testimony (and she is not the only one doing these kinds of studies with similar results).
 
But this is just plain wrong… You contend that the Battelle study was “fruitless”? The Condon Study? The British UAP report? COMETA?

And what did ANY of these cited studies prove? They proved you can't explain every UFO case but many stated there was no sign of anything unknown to science in these reports. In other words, the data was insufficient and subject to error. You are taking what you desire from these studies and rejecting everything else written in them. That is VERY unscientific.

Looking at all of these reports, I would reject the idea to pursue UFOs as well. This is why rehashing all of these old cases is a tried and true recipe for failure in the scientific community. It convinces nobody outside those who have a very vested interest in the subject (see Sturrock panel). Scientists want to study and evaluate things that can be quantified and produce reliable data. UFOs do not provide reliable data. It is subject to the known problems of errors in human perception. If you actually read these reports instead of cherry picking what you want, then you might understand this.

But who am I? I am just an ignorant old Navy salt who has lead a very privileged and sheltered life. I don't have a fancy degree that gives me the "scientist" label and allows me to pontificate from a computer without bothering to read all the source materials.
 
Ramjet, you seem to be a proponent of adding the evidence up across UFO coses. Let’s look at some of these events, and then add up the evidence:

The first three links from your post 4621 above.

i.e.
White sands: This phenomenon consisted of (generally) bright green lights moving (generally) horizontally through the night sky and then dropping downward slightly and going out.

Teran: A bird like object or a helicopter reported in the sky, fighter jets scrambled pursued something that looked like a star, but brighter and larger (Yellow?).

Zamora: Several independent witnesses reported either an "egg" shaped craft or a bluish flame.

The most basic step would be to determine if the case are similar phenomena. If they are not similar, then we cannot stack the evidence together to get better evidence. The similarities and differences should be highlighted. At a bare minimum if they all describing the same phenomena, then the testimony would describe similar things.
We have:

1) Green lights moving horizontally
2) bird/helicopter like objects, that look like stars (yellow?)
3) Blue flame egg shaped craft

All describe lights, 1 similarity except: Blue != Green != Yellow
Two described the craft but, Bird != Egg Shaped != Helicopter != Stars

Taken at face value, and I am not endorsing that any of these stories should be taken at face value, besides the stories not being internally consistent in their descriptions, three of the best cases describe three different phenomena.

In each of these three stories different explanations are required for different phenomena. Does stacking conflicting evidence together make aliens more or less plausible?
 
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...snip...But who am I? I am just an ignorant old Navy salt who has lead a very privileged and sheltered life. I don't have a fancy degree that gives me the "scientist" label and allows me to pontificate from a computer without bothering to read all the source materials.
Don't worry- Judging from the contents of his/hers post, Rramjet has no fancy degree that gives him/her the "scientist" label too... If he/she has, then UFO belief creates a huge blind spot in his/hers critical thinking or/and his/hers scientific skills are highly flawed. I've been pointing the pieces of evidence which back this claim for a while and they are much more reliable than the evidence Rramjet has been presenting to back UFOs as intelligencies from outside the borders of what we call nature (whatever that means).

If I am correct and his claim of a science degree is false (and I would like it not to be), then Rramjet has been dishonest since the start and I feel no futher discussion with this person should take place untill the claim is withdrawn.

If its a matter of heavy bias and/or poor skills, then the discussion should continue. Ideally, this person should acknowledge his/hers flaws and try to move on, building if possible a new and more robust case with the information available. Or at least admit that his/hers position is actually a matter of belief and that one can not, after analyzing with the propper scientific methods the evidence presented, derive the conclusion that some UFOs are products of intelligencies from outside the borders of what we call nature (whatever that means).

I suppose Rramjet will see this post as an attack. Its not- its a reaction to what he/she has been posting - the way he/she handles information and his/hers belligerant behavior since day one against those who do not agree with his/hers beliefs.
 
Cash Landrum follow-up:

Since RRamjet brought up some specific points recently about the Cash-Landrum case (which is apparently one of his BEST CASES), I decided to go look through my materials for any extra information/opinions on the subject.

UFOlogists Kevin Randle (who can be a very hard core UFO proponent and recently claimed the data in UFO reports indicate an alien intelligence) wrote about 10 pages on the subject in his book PROJECT MOONDUST. However, he seemed to voice the same opinions as I have made here:

The FAA and its various air traffic control centers denied any knowledge of military maneuvers on the night of December 29. Sarran (Lt. Col.)told Schuessler that such activities would have to be coordinated with the FAA because of the possibilities of an aircraft accident. No such notifications had been made.
Checks of local units resulted in absolutely no hint that anyone was trying to hide anything. Pilots and enlisted crew who might have participated in such activities were questioned by both military officers and civilian researchers. No one gave even the slightest indication that flying operations had been conducted that night.
Sarran, among others, pointed out that an operation of the size indicated would have required massive support including refueling capabilities. Refueling would have been a problem, but no one seemed to have noticed any jumps in the consumption of jet fuels in the area on the date in question. No trucks or fuel bladders were seen in the area. There just doesn't seem to be any positive indication that Army Aviation was involved.
(p. 212)

Therefore, the search for any source of these helicopters proved to be a dead end. Randle also points out the same thing I mentioned. It was during a holiday stand down period and the manpower required for such an operation would have been noticed.

Randle then discusses the lawsuit:

The problem there, however, is that no indications of governmental responsibility could be proven. The searches of military organizations that would have had access to sufficient numbers of helicopters could find no records to suggest that they had participated in any sort of exercise that would demand the numbers required.
A second problem also developed. Medical records for the three, Cash, Landrum, and Colby, were not presented as evidence. If, according to these records, there had been no signs of preexisting ill health or any medical problems, then a good case could be made that the events of December 29 caused the trouble. If, on the other hand, there was a record of various medical pathologies, then no such conclusion could be drawn.
(P. 213)

This was a big problem. Why weren’t the records presented into evidence? It raises questions. It is probable that Betty Cash suffered from heart issues before the incident (Klass reports a bypass operation in his SUN newsletter of 1999) and there may have been other health issues from which she suffered.

Randle brings up an important point:

A comprehensive search by military officers and civilian researchers has failed to produce any evidence that the sighting took place. (p. 214)

He concludes

"Was the craft Extraterrestrial? Was there any craft at all? Or was this some kind of elaborate hoax invented by both women (though neither has a history of creating practical jokes)? Without more data, we just can't answer any of the questions satisfactorily" P. 214

In other words, Randle is stating the case is “incomplete” and no conclusions can be really drawn from it. I find it interesting that he “suggests” it may have been a hoax of some kind. Isn’t that an attack on the witness credibility by a UFOlogist? I guess “debunkers” aren’t the only ones who do this.

As for the search for the helicopters and their witnesses, I could only find a few mentions of it in the MUFON journal by Schuessler (the investigator who wrote a book on the matter, which I unfortunately do not have in my collection right now). Schuessler wrote an article about this search in the September 1983 issue (p.3-6). Randle seems to have gotten a lot of information from him regarding the research involved so I won’t quote him. However, he does mention the key witnesses he found who saw helicopters that night. In addition to the Walker sighting (which really does not apply since it was hours after the event), he brought up two others. One was a man named, John Plaster, who reported seeing 4-5 CH47 helicopters but not on the date in question. The other witness (along with Walker) referred to in many websites as just “a witness” was somebody named Bill “X” in Crosby, Texas. According to Schuessler, he reported seeing a large group of "military type helicopters" for 4-5 minutes ABOUT December 29th. Mystery witnesses who report seeing helicopters is nothing to get excited about and is not much in the way of confirmation. Along with Walker’s testimony, it is inadequate to verify that a fleet of helicopters were flying over that area of Texas that evening.
In order to help resolve this issue, Schuessler makes some leaps in another article in the MUFON journal in July 1986. In order to evade coastal radar, he proposed a path for the UFO (and presumably the helicopters) that takes it in from the ocean someplace close to the Texas-LA border, then westward towards Houston. Before it gets to Houston, it then proceeds south again towards the Ocean. As for the helicopters, the only theory I have seen him present comes from his book, where he apparently proposed they came from the USS New Orleans off the coast of Texas. How he arrived at that conclusion is not clear but we can check up on the USS New Orleans. It had returned to home port in San Diego after an arduous WESTPAC on the 22nd of November 1980 and went into the shipyard on the 22nd of February 1981 (source: http://members.cox.net/starboard/NOBOAT/NOBOAT.html#0) . It seems highly unlikely the ship would return from a WESTPAC and immediately hightail it to the other coast in order to conduct exercises with a UFO. When ships return from deployment, the crew goes into a standdown period. Considering the upcoming Christmas period, it is probable they did so into early January of 1981. I think the USS New Orleans theory, while remotely possible, is unlikely. It was not even on the same coast as best I can tell.

As far as the symptoms or radiation exposure, I recalled reading something Brad Sparks wrote about radiation exposure. I found his article here:

http://www.qtm.net/~geibdan/a1999/cash3.htm

He pretty much made the same points I made about radiation exposure. This comment was interesting though:

It is known that many chemical agents MIMIC IONIZING RADIATION EFFECTS even down to the cellular level, and can create such symptoms without regard to dose-onset-time relations and with considerable individual variability in response (which might obviate the need to suppose shielding by the car from exposure). The immediate contact dermatitis (skin burns) and conjunctivitis seem to indicate a chemical agent exposure.

Sparks is no expert on the subject but it is an informed opinion on the matter by a UFOlogist/UFO proponent.

The issue of the injuries brought up a statement by a Dr. Peter Rank, who is supposedly a radiologist and a quote from Jerome Clark’s UFO encyclopedia was given. I don’t have that book as it is three very large and expensive volumes but I am going down to the library to see if it is there (I know I saw it there recently but it may not have been all three volumes) to check up where Clark got the information. It was not in his “UFO book” (which I do have), which is an abridged version of the whole set. However, I did happen to go through some MUFON journals and found that Dr. Peter Rank (from the University of Wisconsin) was MUFON’s CONSULTANT in radiology. That does not necessarily mean he was a radiologist. I could not find any evidence that he was actually an MD but I can only assume he was. In the December 1982 edition of the MUFON journal, Rank made some comments about an article describing the effects of radiation exposure in the Cash-Landrum incident. He seemed to be non-committal on the subject:

Mr. Stowe has made certain assumptions which may or may not be warranted. The first assumption is that the principals in this case suffered total body radiation. This is by no means clear. I do not believe that a general dosage level can be assigned to the Cash/Landrum case. My reasoning is based upon the observation, to the best of my knowledge, that ALTHOUGH BOTH WOMEN HAD SYMPTOMS OF RADIATION SICKNESS, THERE WERE NO WELL DOCUMENTED CHANGES IN THE BLOOD AND THE DIARRHEA REPORTED WAS NOT BLOODY IN NATURE (My emphasis).
My analysis ASSUMED (my emphasis) that ionizing radiation, exact wavelength undetermined, was responsible for most of the symptoms. We also know that the women had exposure to light as well as to infrared waves. As Mr. Stowe points out, some of the erythema of the skin can be attributed to ultraviolet, and some certainly can be attributed to shorter wavelengths with higher energy and of an ionizing nature. The extent to which microwave radiation was involved is not clear, and I was unable to come to a position with regard to it.
(P. 9)

So, Dr. Rank’s conclusions indicated that there were problems with the radiation exposure issue and one could not categorically state the effects were from radiation. He does not mention examining the records themselves. In fact, in the January 1983 issue of the MUFON journal a Dr. Richard C. Nicmtzow (MD) who was working in MUFON’s UFOMD project stated, I never examined or had access to their medical records (p14). This seems to indicate that MUFON did not have their personal medical records available for anybody to examine.

This coupled with Brad Sparks (who I often disagree with) opinion on the matter, I think there is good reason to doubt that the effects reported were due to radiation exposure.

To summarize all of this:

1) There is no evidence for the helicopter fleet other than the testimony of Cash and Landrum and one vague reference to a mystery witness who apparently was not sure of the date. The other witnesses saw their helicopters on different dates or at different times.
2) The medical records appear to have been closely guarded. Those that did see them seem to have reported that the bloodwork results were not what one would expect from radiation exposure.
3) No evidence has been presented (other than the symptoms) that radiation was involved.
4) No evidence of any damage to the surrounding terrain or vehicle
5) The UFO itself seems to have magically appeared and disappeared. Only one person besides Cash/Landrum seems to have seen it even though Cash/Landrum claimed it was visible for over 20 minutes!

If this is an example of a BEST CASE, then what does it mean about all the others?
 
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If this is an example of a BEST CASE, then what does it mean about all the others?

It means Rramjet will now move the goalposts.

1. Shift the burden of proof
* demand that skeptics offer mundane explanations
2. Strawman
* argue that the skeptics explanation does not fit the witness testimony
3. Argument from ignorance
* since mundane explanations don't fit witness testimony, must be alien

This has been Rramjet's modus operandi for the whole thread. The fact that he doesn't see anything wrong with it speaks volumes about his claim to being a scientist.
 
My 2 cents, you guys should stop responding to the walls of text and demand a best case hypothesis. Rewarding his / her behavior with serious rebuttals obviously just keeps it going.
 
I asked for a BEST CASE and continue to do so. His opinion is that there is NO BEST CASE but all of these reasonably/questionably best cases seem to add up to a BEST CASE. Twice nothing is still nothing.
 
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