Ed paik did not witness any ´impact´
He ran towards the Pentagon after the plane had passed over him and ´saw the orange flames´
Having trouble with reading comprehension Mudlark? I was refering to every single witness who was in postiton to see the impact, including but not limited to, those among the CiT stars who were in said position, state that the plane impacted the Pentagon
Roosevelt Roberts did not witness any ´impact´
´when the explosion hit´ he was in South Parking and had no view. On top of that he was INSIDE the building. So no, he was not an ´impact witness´
?? "he was in South Parking and had no view" and "he was INSIDE the building"?? Is there indoor parking in the south lot?
Wasn't Roberts originally touted as a flyover witness by the CiT?
Darius Prather
",,passing us and went straight into that building"
but according to Stafford , (second hand inference) Prather wasn't looking.
Donald Carter and Darrell Stafford were actually with Darius Prather.
They saw the plane approach their carpark from the Navy Annex and all ´ran for their lives´
""nobody was trying to look see if it was actually going to hit the building or not hit the building. So everybody was running in the opposite direction for their lives."
So although the CiT is quite confident in the opinion of these men that the plane was on a flight path that was somewhere south of the Citgo station, they are also quite confident that these men were incorrect in their assumption that there was a reason to run. After all if the plane was not going to hit the building then there would be little reason to run away. In fact they had assumed it was going to hit the ground prior to getting to the Pentagon. THAT is why they were running.
Now why would they think that? If the plane was SoC it was even further away. If it was where Lagasse put it then Lagasse was in even greater danger than Prather. Hmmm, maybe geography offers an answer? Perhaps........?
Looking laterally at the aircraft they had little reference to determine how far distant the plane was. Except that is, for the line of terrain, and along the commonly accepted path the land is higher than where they were. If they assumed it was closer, and seeing the plane close to the terrain they would conclude the plane was in danger of crashing very close to them. It would appear even lower, agl, than it really was.
William Middleton
Yes he is convinced the plane impacted but given his NOC testimony, this is impossible to reconcile.
I have pointed out that it would have been impossible for Morin to even see the aircraft if it were where Middleton puts it. Therefore if it is impossible to reconcile his flightpath and his unequivocal statement that the plane hit the Pentagon, yes, one of those things must be incorrect. Given that Morin (and Paik) could not have seen a plane along Middleton's path then it is Middleton's path that must be incorrect which leaves his statement that the plane hit the Pentagon intact.
Maria de la Cerda
She could not physically see any ´impact´ and conveys that she saw the fireball.
(She says that she believed that the plane struck ´the other side´.
´The plane that disappeared´ What height was the plane at when she thought this??)
Her statement conveys that she had only a momentary view of the aircraft. She had probably the least amount of time to determine anything about it. She basically says exactly that so her speculation that it hit the far side is really based on very little information.
Terry Morin
He witnessed the explosion. He did NOT say he saw nor COULD he PHYSICALLY see the plane enter the building from his POV
I did not say that about Morin. I said that he was 10 feet from walking out from between the wings and that he put the plane directly overhead. I said that this is 600 feet south of Middleton's path and would also put 40 feet of the starboard wing south of the Annex meaning that Morin was looking up and his body was facing south. This means that it would have been impossible for Morin to see a plane along Middleton's path. Morin is also closer to the plane than Middleton and thus his placement would be more accurate than Middleton's or many others especially given that he had the sides of the building as reference. He also states that he then saw the plane go down beyond the trees. He simply could not have seen that for a path that would take the plane north of the Citgo station. Therefore Morin is a SoC witness.
How could he possibly have seen the tail of the plane as it crossed the lawn allegedly on a low-level trajectory?
He said that all he could see was the top of the vertical stabilizer. He does not claim to have been able to actually see the lawn but its a big lawn and he knows where it is.
How could he have gotten to this POV and given so much detail if it took 5 seconds from the Navy Annex to the facade of the Pentagon given the official 540mph speed which he also contradicted?
How long does it take you to run 15-20 feet?
How could he have witnessed the tail ´dip to the right´ if it was on the SOC path?
He was incorrect about that I suppose. After all it is at this point that he has the smallest view of the aircraft.
More importantly look at where the smoke is emanating from in the photo. The ´impact zone´ is not in view.
He saw the fireball, not an ´impact´.
AGAIN, I have never stated that Morin saw the impact. Stop saying that I have.
BTW that picture is at least 50 feet west of where Morin was , isn't it?
However, Morin would have had an absolutly great view of the aircraft rising before the fireball. The fireball must not reach the level of the roof until the aircraft has already passed the wall since flying an aircraft through a fireball would have likely had it crash in the Potomac(now that would be embarrassing for the spooks no?)
That´s ´lying´ btw..
YOU are the one who makes this claim.
CIT have never editted ANY witness as to whether they believed they saw or believed they saw an ´impact´
WOWSERS!!
You really need to go over Boger's statement again. Did he or did he not state that he saw the plane hit then ducked down and did the CiT or did they not say that Boger must have ducked before the plane hit thus accusing Boger of lieing?
Boger´s interview is covered
here. He believes he witnessed an impact but totally contradicts the official flightpath, speed and the low-level trajectory in the 5 frames.
Are you saying that he is ´lieing´ about the rest of his testimony?
NO, I am saying, and have said it before, that he is incorret about the path the plane took. That refers to what he saw happening starting a mile away whereas what he says he saw a few dozen feet away concerning a 77 foot high building and a 100 foot long aircraft is more likely to be correct.
They HAVE told Morin that he was facing north right?
Whether he was facing North or facing South WITHIN the wing of the Annex, his recorded statement to Craig Ranke is the most damning
Yes yes it is. He clearly puts the aircraft near the south edge of the Annex, not the north edge let alone over Patton drive.
So is he lying too? How come he didn´t describe the necessary
SOC official path that would have looked like this
No, he is merely a little off. Less than the wingspan of the aircraft unlike Middleton who is at least off by 5 times the wingspann of the aircraft.
They HAVE told Paik that his speculation the next day that the plane had hit the tower is patently stupid since it was 600 feet north of the tower, right?
His ´speculation´ has been covered numerous times.
I am not saying that his speculation would in any way be considered accurate HOWEVER if the plane was 2 - 5 times its wingspan north of the tower why would Paik even consider this a possibility? If nothing else it proves he was facing south thus illustrating Middleton is incorrect.
As above. Only William Middleton claims to have actually witnessed an ´impact´. Understandable given the circumstances but impossible NOC.
Covered above.
What their reaction would be is irrelevant as is any ´reaction´ regarding witness testimony.
You will note that what they might say NOW is a topic YOU brought up.
They corraborrate NOC. End of story.
Except that Middleton is shown to be wrong about the flightpath but does corroborate others who witnessed impact(remember I am including those that the CiT dismiss such as reporters and military contractors in cars and office buildings.). Except that Morin is shown to be a SoC witness. Except that Boger states quite unequivocally that he saw impact (just like Middleton).
Mind retracting the numerous falsehoods you have just made?
Or will this just go on the top of the pile that have been stacking up?Do you really believe that you and the handful of other posters here are the only people reading these threads and that they won´t see the lies I´ve pulled you and others up on?
How is this going to work if you keep stealing my lines?
No problem, I will.
You too.
