Merged Has this structural engineer been debunked? / Astaneh-Asl "melting of girders"

beachnut said:
I agree; the former truthers can be the critical thinkers and experts when they realize knowledge is the key to climbing out of the pit of ignorance where 911 truth is in constant free-fall to record depths of stupidity.
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No real Truther ever goes back. There have been a couple of fakes (only one or two in all) who did.
 
That was highly enjoyable. Nicely done.
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Just in time to save another delusion believer; wow, you brought all the evidence 911 truth has; nicely done. 0, better take care of this valuable evidence.

8 years and the massive pile of ample evidence for 911 truth is the empty set;

8 years of lies
and failure
personified by guess who
as she posts off topic woo
 
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bill smith said:
That was highly enjoyable. Nicely done.
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I suppose it doesn't matter, but this is a clear example of why the Truth Movement has failed. You may feel this makes you clever and 'smart', but all it does is demonstrate how the original purpose of this thread is meaningless.

The purpose of the thread was to discuss evidence presented by Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl. His work was linked to as an example of research that does not support NIST and other commonly held interpretations that planes and fires ultimately led to the collapse of the 3 WTC buildings.

Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl himself does not believe his evidence supports any such conclusion. It is not clear to the general engineering research community how his work contradicts these generally held ideas. It would therefore be up to you to demonstrate how it does. Otherwise, it is just another piece in what you call the 'official story' that provides reason to accept the planes and fires explanation.

OK, so you're a bunch of clever high school kids who can talk circles about all these guys with diplomas on the wall. Sure thing. But until you answer this point, the 911 Truth Movement will continue to be a bunch of high school kids who post on the net.
 
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scott.in.taiwan said:
I suppose it doesn't matter, but this is a clear example of why the Truth Movement has failed. You may feel this makes you clever and 'smart', but all it does is demonstrate how the original purpose of this thread is meaningless.

The purpose of the thread was to discuss evidence presented by Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl. His work was linked to as an example of research that does not support NIST and other commonly held interpretations that planes and fires ultimately led to the collapse of the 3 WTC buildings.

Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl himself does not believe his evidence supports any such conclusion. It is not clear to the general engineering research community how his work contradicts these generally held ideas. It would therefore be up to you to demonstrate how it does. Otherwise, it is just another piece in what you call the 'official story' that provides reason to accept the planes and fires explanation.

OK, so you're a bunch of clever high school kids who can talk circles about all these guys with diplomas on the wall. Sure thing. But until you answer this point, the 911 Truth Movement will continue to be a bunch of high school kids who post on the net.
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Actually I am highly interested in the work and statements of Dr.A-Asl. And Scott....relax....we are only figments of your imagination.
 
So did anybody work out what temperature fireproofing melts at as reported by Doctor A-Asl ?
 
bill smith said:
Actually I am highly interested in the work and statements of Dr.A-Asl. And Scott....relax....we are only figments of your imagination.
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Ironically Bill, the utter stupidity of the current batch of Truther heroes posting now on JREF has made me nostalgic for you. At least there's a logic to your posts. These idiots seem to feel that confusing someone is winning the fight. In fact, confusion seems to be their main 'weapon' in dealing with science.

As you know, I think you are a misguided little one. But I am being forced to grow fond of you. Doesn't it bother you that your 'social movement' seems to be made up of morons and the mentally ill?
 
Pretty much yes. It's a one-way thing.

I always had to laugh when I heard so many jref's saying that they were reformed Truthers. lol
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Off topic tripe which you have no evidence to support your failed ideas; now making fun of fellow JREF members; real nice 911 delusion spreader. cool

Some truthers are unable to learn and prefer your kind of negative learning and dirt dumb delusion quest. At least one


truther post videos which debunk their delusions... oops

Joneslie-1.jpg

Remember the old days when delusions from Jones were the new smoking gun. Jones used this photo as his evidence of thermite; the truth, it was cut after 911 to help search and rescue by clearing debris.

The loyal truthers are trying but failing to apologize for terrorists.
When will truthers bring evidence for this failed truther thread? Forgot, they have zero evidence; never mind
 
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scott.in.taiwan said:
Ironically Bill, the utter stupidity of the current batch of Truther heroes posting now on JREF has made me nostalgic for you. At least there's a logic to your posts. These idiots seem to feel that confusing someone is winning the fight. In fact, confusion seems to be their main 'weapon' in dealing with science.

As you know, I think you are a misguided little one. But I am being forced to grow fond of you. Doesn't it bother you that your 'social movement' seems to be made up of morons and the mentally ill?
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Oh I don't know about that. I think they are doing very well. Ask RM. That nostalgia stuff is a thing of the past if you ask me. It's nice to be back back on your christmas card list though. lol
 
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bill smith said:
Oh I don't know about that. I think they are doing very well. Ask RM. That nostalgia stuff is a thing of the past if you ask me. It's nice to be back back on your christmas card list though. lol
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Why on Earth would "think they are doing very well."? Nothing they say would convince anyone who doesn't already accept this horse p*ss of an argument. All it would look like was they switched the topic. I can understand you might think it's great they're so indocrinated into this position they don't even have to address what they think is important.

There's still no explanation as to why Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl's work was originally linked to. Sure, you can believe all you want about rivers of molten steel and thermite, but that's got nothing to do with anything Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl wrote about. Or it may. I don't know. But certainly the link has not been made and when this point was asked for clarification, the Truther heroes just switched topic.
 
vinniem said:
Thanks.

It doesn't take a lot or work to expose the lies.
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Failed to expose much more than ignorance on your part; bringing delusions and the delusion you exposed lies. Cool, you bring back a thread where an engineer thinks 911 truth ideas are poppycock, declare victory; run away and celebrate your continued evidence free victory in your own mind posting in other threads to repeat your insane claim of victory as you post more lies.

Fail, declare victory and move on to fail again.

WildCat said:
Hilarious! A truther finds a structural engineer who supports "the official story" and asks us to debunk it!

:dl:
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Be happy, your delusions have company
 
scott.in.taiwan said:
I suppose it doesn't matter, but this is a clear example of why the Truth Movement has failed. You may feel this makes you clever and 'smart', but all it does is demonstrate how the original purpose of this thread is meaningless.

The purpose of the thread was to discuss evidence presented by Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl. His work was linked to as an example of research that does not support NIST and other commonly held interpretations that planes and fires ultimately led to the collapse of the 3 WTC buildings.

Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl himself does not believe his evidence supports any such conclusion. It is not clear to the general engineering research community how his work contradicts these generally held ideas. It would therefore be up to you to demonstrate how it does. Otherwise, it is just another piece in what you call the 'official story' that provides reason to accept the planes and fires explanation.

OK, so you're a bunch of clever high school kids who can talk circles about all these guys with diplomas on the wall. Sure thing. But until you answer this point, the 911 Truth Movement will continue to be a bunch of high school kids who post on the net.
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Scott is right. Too much is made of irrelevent issues and not of the overall picture the evidence - all of the evidence - builds. What matters is that truthers are attempting to use Astaneh-Asl's work to buttress conspiratorial fantasies. This work is being misquoted and misused regardless of whether the truthers themselves believe Astaneh-Asl believes in the conspiracy fantasy (which he has clearly stated he does not).

All that is being obsfucated by the silly obsession on minutiae and argumentative "When did Truthers say ''X''?", and all that does is lead to the irrelevant. What matters is what the proper analysis of Astaneh-Asl's work is. And frankly, conspiracy addicts are not properly understanding, much less properly interpreting his observations and statements.
 
twinstead said:
I also often wonder at what temperature fireproofing melts
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Blaze-Shield II specifications

As it is composed primarily of Portland cement, its melting temperature is probably around 1300oC. However, keep in mind that it conducts heat very poorly and, in a typical fire situation, will ablate and only melt at the surface, if at all. It's not just temperature, it takes temperature plus time.
 
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