Merged Has this structural engineer been debunked? / Astaneh-Asl "melting of girders"

[R.Mackey]

You being lazy does not make me a liar, in case you're having even further problems with reality.

 

[vinniem]

You being lazy does not make me a liar, in case you're having even further problems with reality.

OK am just reading back through the thread, I can't see any truthers saying he believed it was an inside job, but I did spot several debunkers saying that Asteneh's observations are anomalous and require a new investigation. That was nice to see.

 

[R.Mackey]

So you didn't read it until now? I figured as much.

Now go for the gold and follow the references made, particularly to 911Blogger, if you want your question answered.

Try not to over-exert yourself.

 

[Brainache]

What is the title of this thread?

Why would RedIbis be asking if anyone debunked him, if RedIbis didn't think he was on the Truther bunk wagon?

 

[vinniem]

So you didn't read it until now? I figured as much.

Now go for the gold and follow the references made, particularly to 911Blogger, if you want your question answered.

Try not to over-exert yourself.

Of course I read it. I am the one that resurrected it and quoted a post on page 4 and said that nobody in the entire thread had responded to that post. I have read the thread twice.

If you are saying that someone on 911 blogger was saying that is what he believed then your original claim is false since it wasn't in this thread.

Sizzler, a truther, in this post on page 3 of this thread states:

You are right. They aren't preaching inside job, just the opposite.

However their conclusions support the fact that steel melted in the WTC event. Melting steel supports the claim of foil play made by others that are preaching inside job.

So you lied when you said that truthers in this thread were saying that.

However, in this very thread, debunkers concede that Asteneh's findings constitute a serious anomoly that calls question on the NIST report.

 

[R.Mackey]

Of course I read it. I am the one that resurrected it and quoted a post on page 4 and said that nobody in the entire thread had responded to that post. I have read the thread twice.

If you are saying that someone on 911 blogger was saying that is what he believed than your original claim is false since it wasn't in this thread.

Sizzler, a truther, in this post on page 3 of this thread states:


So you lied when you said that truthers in this thread were saying that.

However, in this very thread, debunkers concede that Asteneh's findings constitute a serious anomoly that calls question on the NIST report.

If you stopped running your mouth and calling people liars, you might have some time to understand.

You asked for examples of Truthers using Dr. Astaneh-asl or Dr. Quintiere believing in an 'inside job.' That charge was made in the form you anticipate at 911Blogger, and the references are indeed in this thread.

It was also levied here in this thread without requiring redirect, in a weaker form, by Dr. Greening. The 'inside job' here is not the fantastic one that lunatics believe in, with explosives and all, but rather the more plausible 'inside job' of the structure being deliberately built to lower standards, and then deliberately covered up by NIST. Dr. Greening's status as a "truther" is somewhat tenuous, however.

Regardless, all you needed to answer your question was already available to you. You're not interested in the answer, you just like running your mouth. Which is why you still haven't, and never will, contact the good professor on your own.

I think I've proven my point. Good luck to you.

 

[vinniem]

If you stopped running your mouth and calling people liars, you might have some time to understand.

You asked for examples of Truthers using Dr. Astaneh-asl or Dr. Quintiere believing in an 'inside job.' That charge was made in the form you anticipate at 911Blogger, and the references are indeed in this thread.

It was also levied here in this thread without requiring redirect, in a weaker form, by Dr. Greening. The 'inside job' here is not the fantastic one that lunatics believe in, with explosives and all, but rather the more plausible 'inside job' of the structure being deliberately built to lower standards, and then deliberately covered up by NIST. Dr. Greening's status as a "truther" is somewhat tenuous, however.

Regardless, all you needed to answer your question was already available to you. You're not interested in the answer, you just like running your mouth. Which is why you still haven't, and never will, contact the good professor on your own.

I think I've proven my point. Good luck to you.

So much wrong in one post.

If the claim was made at 911blogger then you were being dishonest to claim it was in this thread.

I have, in fact contacted Professor Asteneh and await a reply from him. Do you just enjoy being wrong?

I see that you ignore the debunkers in this thread that think the observations by Asteneh are anomalous and require a new investigation.

 

[R.Mackey]

Wrong on two counts, no evidence provided for the third (the middle one).

 

[vinniem]

I have just read through the 911blogger post and it's comments. There is nobody there claiming that Asteneh believes in an inside job.

In fact, a commenter there specifically says:

Despite his observations he has not challenged the official fire/gravity theory, so I would urge against including him on patriotsquestion911.com

 

[vinniem]

Wrong on two counts, no evidence provided for the third (the middle one).

Which one did I not provide evidence for?

 

[R.Mackey]

I have just read through the 911blogger post and it's comments. There is nobody there claiming that Asteneh believes in an inside job.

In fact, a commenter there specifically says: [...]

That comment was made specifically to caution those thinking Dr. Astaneh was a believer -- and including him on their rolls as a "truther." There's your evidence. Someone [ETA] proposed putting him [/ETA] on those lists, and it wasn't him.

Seriously, your reading comprehension is abysmal.

 

[vinniem]

That comment was made specifically to caution those thinking Dr. Astaneh was a believer -- and including him on their rolls as a "truther." There's your evidence. Someone stuck him on those lists, and it wasn't him.

Seriously, your reading comprehension is abysmal.

But nobody was thinking he was a believer. Post your evidence that a truther has claimed Asteneh thinks 911 is an inside job.

I notice earlier you were trying to change the definition of inside job to not include a conspiracy and simply mean that the buildings weren't up to code and this had been covered up.

That kind of goalpost moving shows you are only interested in being right and not any kind of serious debate.

It also looks a tad desperate. We all know what inside job means in the context of this thread.

Your claim has been proved caregorically false. You ill never admit this, of course.

 

[R.Mackey]

Wrong. Being counted on "PatriotsQuestion911" or any of those various lists is the closest thing there is to a testable definition of "truther." And an individual there recommended him for it.

Like I said, your reading comprehension is abysmal. Exactly as I predicted.

Feel free to provide evidence of your conversation with Dr. Astaneh-asl, should any ever appear.

 

[beachnut]

...
Sizzler, a truther, in this post on page 3 of this thread states:
...
So you lied when you said that truthers in this thread were saying that.
...
However, in this very thread, debunkers concede that Asteneh's findings constitute a serious anomoly that calls question on the NIST report.

Sizzler; he was a PhD in what. Melted steel, a great one, how much was melted, how many samples. There was errosion, and it sure you can say it was vaporized or melted, but that is why it is interesting to study. Why are they studing it? No thermite, no explosives, if we find errosion during fire, we never found thermite product which is easy to find, and we found zero blast effects from explosives, zero explosives; no inside job for the failure of the WTC, not even WTC7. Sorry, nothing here but real engineering.
...steel to study - why did you not study the steel?

The engineers truthers use that are not truthers slam the nonsens of 911 truth, yet you dig and try to uncover the big inside job. What is your goal. Most people have a goal. Do you have a goal?

If your goal is to find the truth and you don't believe the engineers who call your ideas total nonsense, then you have to go to school so you stop asking questions and start answering them. It takes knowledge to understand 911 truth is total nonsense from top to bottom.

You are trying to use engineers who disagree with parts of NIST or want better standards and fail to see they think people who support any of the 911 truth ideas are nonsense. Are you trying to be like sizzler, or are you trying to learn why 911 truth is fraud?

The engineer thinks having engineers associated with Robertson and Skilling is bad; I have worked with teams with opposing views or how things should go, but I was the chief engineer and I made sure the project produce results we were chartered for. Looks like sour grapes to me, but he has points to make well above the woo of 911 truth dirt dumb delusions of thermite and explosives. Who are the experts on tall buildings; oops, the guys who build them... want them on your team; maybe so...


There are lots of things to study in the WTC gravity collapse for engineers, 911 truth has wasted 8 years making up lies; are you here to continue that high goal of wasting time spewing lies and further negative learning?

No melted steel here...

Hilarious! A truther finds a structural engineer who supports "the official story" and asks us to debunk it!

I guess he didn't read the NIST report....

^are you drunk?

I've proven that at least one engineer saw melted girders, MADE OF STEEL.

That's enough for now.

Where is Sizzler? Did he take time to figure out 911 or did he forget his password? Lots of evidence from Sizz

Who is studying steel? Who never found thermite and explosives. Zero evidence for the moronic ideas of 911 truth; 8 years of failure.

Anyway, we now have proof the WTC was studied which puts to rest the lie by 911 truth the steel was taken away quickly; seems like months is quickly in the world of woo where waking up to 911 idiotic lies from 911 truth takes 8 years!
Why 8 years for you to wake up to the lies 911 truth pushes?

 

[R.Mackey]

I think Sizzler was one of the rare smart Truthers, and that he eventually figured out it was nonsense. He did ask some good questions and he also tried to come up with a hypothesis, and even admitted that he could not. This is far above and beyond what we typically see.

I could be wrong, but I hope he managed to escape the madness.

 

[beachnut]

I think Sizzler was one of the rare smart Truthers, and that he eventually figured out it was nonsense. He did ask some good questions and he also tried to come up with a hypothesis, and even admitted that he could not. This is far above and beyond what we typically see.

I could be wrong, but I hope he managed to escape the madness.

I agree; the former truthers can be the critical thinkers and experts when they realize knowledge is the key to climbing out of the pit of ignorance where 911 truth is in constant free-fall to record depths of stupidity.

 

[tsig]

Of course I read it. I am the one that resurrected it and quoted a post on page 4 and said that nobody in the entire thread had responded to that post. I have read the thread twice.

If you are saying that someone on 911 blogger was saying that is what he believed then your original claim is false since it wasn't in this thread.

Sizzler, a truther, in this post on page 3 of this thread states:



So you lied when you said that truthers in this thread were saying that.

However, in this very thread, debunkers concede that Asteneh's findings constitute a serious anomoly that calls question on the NIST report.

And you make the very claim that you say truthers don't make.

 

[aggle-rithm]

But nobody was thinking he was a believer. Post your evidence that a truther has claimed Asteneh thinks 911 is an inside job.

Why are you so concerned about this? It's not exactly an earth-shattering revelation to say that a truther said something stupid, so why demand evidence for it? Does it somehow validate all your delusions if there is one topic, somewhere, that no truther has made a stupid comment about?

Why not focus on something that matters? You truthers believe the US Government is guilty of mass murder. THAT is a claim that requires evidence.

 

[Scott Sommers]

The original point of this thread was that

...or could someone point me to one of Gravy's links, where this has been debunked?
"Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl is a professor of civil and environmental engineering at the University of California at Berkeley, who specializes in studying structural damage done by earthquakes and terrorist bombings. He flew to New York on September 19, 2001 to conduct a two-week reconnaissance of the collapsed towers, hoping to gain an understanding of how they'd come down. He was able to examine numerous pieces of steel taken from Ground Zero. [1]"
Lace up your debunking boots, here's his findings:
http://911blogger.com/node/14062

The reply has been made that Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl does not believe his findings provide any support for anything other than the idea that planes and subsequent fires were ultimately responsible for the collapse of the WTCs. He is being misquoted. There is therefore nothing to respond to.

Our 911 Truth Heroes reply to this.

But nobody was thinking he was a believer. Post your evidence that a truther has claimed Asteneh thinks 911 is an inside job.
I notice earlier you were trying to change the definition of inside job to not include a conspiracy and simply mean that the buildings weren't up to code and this had been covered up. That kind of goalpost moving shows you are only interested in being right and not any kind of serious debate. It also looks a tad desperate. We all know what inside job means in the context of this thread. Your claim has been proved caregorically false. You ill never admit this, of course.

I believe this response misses the point. Mackey and others are not really concerned directly whether or not '911 was an inside job' who could have planed it or why.

Their stronger concern is whether or not Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl provides any evidence that casts doubt on the idea that,
1. planes and fires were ultimately respnsible for the WTC collapse AND
2. Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl's findings in anyway contradict the conclusions of NIST.

So just ignore all the stuff about the 'inside job' and look more directly at the problem with this entire thread.

1. Why you think it appears Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl is wrong about his own data.
2. Why you think Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl's work contradict's anything found in NIST.

Personally, I would like to know why you think Dr. Abolhassan Astaneh-Asl appears unaware of the implications of his own findings.

 

[bill smith]

But nobody was thinking he was a believer. Post your evidence that a truther has claimed Asteneh thinks 911 is an inside job.

I notice earlier you were trying to change the definition of inside job to not include a conspiracy and simply mean that the buildings weren't up to code and this had been covered up.

That kind of goalpost moving shows you are only interested in being right and not any kind of serious debate.

It also looks a tad desperate. We all know what inside job means in the context of this thread.

Your claim has been proved caregorically false. You ill never admit this, of course.

That was highly enjoyable. Nicely done.