mudlark,
The CiT is already telling each and every witness, including many of their own supposedly NoC witnesses, who state that the plane hit the Pentagon that they are all wrong. each and every one of them are all wrong despite the fact that they all, each and every one of them, agree absolutly only on this single occurance.
Ed paik did not witness any ´impact´
He ran towards the Pentagon after the plane had passed over him and ´saw the orange flames´
Roosevelt Roberts did not witness any ´impact´
´when the explosion hit´ he was in South Parking and had no view. On top of that he was INSIDE the building. So no, he was not an ´impact witness´
Darrell Stafford CMH interview
Interviewer: Did you feel it?
Stafford : You could feel the heat on your back....I wasn´t sure how soon to turn around because it went ´boom boom´ and I was still kind of covered up and then I started to peek back and there was this huge ball of fire...
Darius Prather
"nobody was trying to look see if it was actually going to hit the building or not hit the building. So everybody was running in the opposite direction for their lives."
Donald Carter and Darrell Stafford were actually with Darius Prather.
They saw the plane approach their carpark from the Navy Annex and all ´ran for their lives´
William Middleton
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1904445818116873233#
Yes he is convinced the plane impacted but given his NOC testimony, this is impossible to reconcile.
35:00 Interview starts
37:15 points to where he saw the plane from the North side of the Navy Annex
¨from in between what´s that..the Hilton (Sheraton) and the
Navy Annex and he started dropping¨
38:40 ¨I could feel the heat from the plane itself..it was that close¨
41:47 ¨It came right over the parking lot (ANC)¨
42:20 ¨Ït had to be 10 to 15 seconds before impact¨
43:00 The view of the Pentagon from his POV
Maria de la Cerda CMH
I hear what I think is a flyover, over my head because that is standard.
(...)
And I looked, I looked directly up for it and I also had some tree cover so I wasn´t able to see, but I was facing the Pentagon and I saw something really fast going toward the Pentagon with the swoosh and I´ll never forget it, it was so fast and then a huge fireball explosion and then smoke.
Maria de la Cerda approx location
Maris de la Cerda approx POV
She could not physically see any ´impact´ and conveys that she saw the fireball.
(She says that she believed that the plane struck ´the other side´.
´The plane that disappeared´ What height was the plane at when she thought this??)
Terry Morin
The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon.
He witnessed the explosion. He did NOT say he saw nor COULD he PHYSICALLY see the plane enter the building from his POV which is very close to the following Ingersoll shot:
How could he possibly have seen the tail of the plane as it crossed the lawn allegedly on a low-level trajectory?
How could he have gotten to this POV and given so much detail if it took 5 seconds from the Navy Annex to the facade of the Pentagon given the official 540mph speed which he also contradicted?
How could he have witnessed the tail ´dip to the right´ if it was on the SOC path?
More importantly look at where the smoke is emanating from in the photo. The ´impact zone´ is not in view.
He saw the fireball, not an ´impact´.
,,,,,or so I would assume given your last post.
They HAVE told Boger he is lieing right?
That´s ´lying´ btw..
YOU are the one who makes this claim.
CIT have never editted ANY witness as to whether they believed they saw or believed they saw an ´impact´
Point out one witness they have done this to.
Boger´s interview is covered
here. He believes he witnessed an impact but totally contradicts the official flightpath, speed and the low-level trajectory in the 5 frames.
Are you saying that he is ´lieing´ about the rest of his testimony?
http://i659.photobucket.com/albums/uu311/buckwheat_bucket/SeanBogersPOV-1.jpg
They HAVE told Morin that he was facing north right?
Whether he was facing North or facing South WITHIN the wing of the Annex, his recorded statement to Craig Ranke is the most damning
06:50
¨MORIN: WHEN THE PLANE WENT RIGHT OVER THE TOP OF ME I WAS WITHIN 10 FEET OF THE EDGE OF THE WING (OF THE ANNEX)
CRAIG : SO YOU WERE KINDA IN BETWEEN THEM (THE WINGS OF THE ANNEX)
(...)
MORIN: I WAS INSIDE..FLEW OVER THE TOP OF ME¨
¨I HAD NO SIDE-VIEW. IF I HAD HAVE HAD A SIDE-VIEW I WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THE STRIPES AND IDENTIFY IT AS AN AMERICAN AIRLINES JET..I DIDN´T SEE THE STRIPES, ALL I COULD SEE WAS THE BELLY¨
So is he lying too? How come he didn´t describe the
necessary
SOC official path that would have looked like this
SOC, clear side-view, NOT OVER the described Annex path Morin clearly described
They HAVE told Paik that his speculation the next day that the plane had hit the tower is patently stupid since it was 600 feet north of the tower, right?
His ´speculation´ has been covered numerous times.
FALSE
PICKERING: You didn't SEE it hit the tower.
PAIK: At that time no I didn't see that. Because, uh, next morning the, uh, the repair guys go up there.
They have told the ANC witnesses that they did not actually see an impact with the Pentagon right?
As above. Only William Middleton claims to have actually witnessed an ´impact´. Understandable given the circumstances but impossible NOC.
They have told Lagasse and Brooks the CiT contentions about a flyover based partly on their statements, right?
Whatever their ´contentions´, they STILL stick to what they said they saw.
¨Obviously what I saw happened, therefore the conclusions made by people who didnt see it can be flawed...I accept the fact that there can be miscalculations on my part, but NOT whether or not the plane was on the North or South side of the gas station."
~Sgt William Lagasse after watching The PentaCon and responding to the ASCE
Tell me, what was the reaction when these things were told to these people?
Do you believe they would actually CHANGE their stories on hearing the implications of what they said?
That´s the point here. They told their stories to CIT on camera, further cemented it with signed diagrams of the flightpaths they saw.
Boger was recorded as was Morin and Roberts.
What their reaction would be is irrelevant as is any ´reaction´ regarding witness testimony. They corraborrate NOC. End of story.
Mind retracting the numerous falsehoods you have just made?
Or will this just go on the top of the pile that have been stacking up?
Do you really believe that you and the handful of other posters here are the only people reading these threads and that they won´t see the lies I´ve pulled you and others up on?
Keep posting.
