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Earthquake hits Haiti

Arcade22 said:
I don't really understand why some people seem to believe that we have an obligation to help these people just because we richer than them. Why do people believe that?
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White guilt that has be conditioned into them for years.

People on this forum would not have this same reaction if this happened to Iceland.
 
Pardalis said:
Actually, they do have a plan, and that's probably why it's keeping this so slow. I've heard that some regions won't get aid until January 21. There will be no one left alive by that time. This is much too slow. Maybe the efforts are trying to have a too perfect plan, sometimes you just need to do it and worry later.

Alot of people are getting worried and restless, and I've heard many times the suggestion that they should drop food and medicine by the air. But then again, If they did, no one on the ground could secure and would be able to stop the chaos that would ensue, or stop criminal gangs from taking it for themselves.
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I agree

The situation is hopeless.
 
Francesca R said:
If your government donates abroad and recovers that from taxation and you're liable for tax then you indeed have a legal obligation.
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That's not what i am talking about. I am talking about the people who are saying that we have an obligation to let in refugees and send billions of SKR in foreign aid to third world countries just because our situation isn't as poor as theirs.

I just don't understand that kind of mentality.
 
kevinquinnyo said:
Do you think that Swedes should not be charitable to other Swedes also?
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No. While i am against private charities, not because i believe that we shouldn't help the poor, but because i believe that the government should handle that.
The government should handle all of the heath care and welfare issues.

One should not have to rely on a charity to stay alive.

I don't get it. Are you just against compassion, if it doesn't pay?
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If the Swedish state should help a non-citizen it shouldn't be because 'it's nice' but because we would benefit from it. Can't see any real benefit with foreign aid that will never be repaid.
 
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MaGZ said:
White guilt that has be conditioned into them for years.

People on this forum would not have this same reaction if this happened to Iceland.
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You can't speak for me. Of course I'd react the same way, regardless of where it happened or to whom.

Every person on this planet is my brother and my sister. Even, unfortunately, you.
 
Rolfe said:
Because the people in Haiti are starving, with no shelter, many of them have severe injuries that are not being treated, and many of them are trapped under tons of collapsed masonry.

Even the poorest people in Sweden are better off than that.

People are people. Can you give me a reason why you should refuse to help people in need just because the're a few thousand miles away from you?

Rolfe.
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Because they are not white.
 
slingblade said:
You can't speak for me. Of course I'd react the same way, regardless of where it happened or to whom.

Every person on this planet is my brother and my sister. Even, unfortunately, you.
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I'd have to consider him and his like more like really distant fifth cousins who nobody talks with or sends family reunion invites to because of what happened back in '92. We just don't talk about that.:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:boxedin::covereyes:covereyes
 
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Arcade22 said:
I don't really understand why some people seem to believe that we have an obligation to help these people just because we richer than them. Why do people believe that?
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My empathy quip is seeming rather prescient now.
 
Arcade22 said:
I don't really understand why some people seem to believe that we have an obligation to help these people just because we richer than them. Why do people believe that?
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The same reason that I help elderly people when I can, the ignorant when I can, and the sick when I can. Because they are people and I am able to.
 
MaGZ said:
White guilt that has be conditioned into them for years.

People on this forum would not have this same reaction if this happened to Iceland.
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Far be it from me to join the many who have, over the years, highlighted your limited and rather partisan understanding of current affairs however you might want to look into the international aid contributed to Italy - well known for being predominantly white - after the 1980 Irpinia earthquake.
 
Arcade22 said:
I am talking about the people who are saying that we have an obligation to let in refugees and send billions of SKR in foreign aid to third world countries just because our situation isn't as poor as theirs.

I just don't understand that kind of mentality.
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I could recommend some informative texts in mathematics (game theory), economic history or philosophy (moral enquiry) to help you there.

You really have no idea why anyone would feel an "obligation" (not the legal type--that wasn't what you were talking about) about this?

Anyway, the knowledge is yours for the learning :)
 
If you are going to be trapped...

CNN said:
Sunday, 11:03 a.m. -- Crews are working to free a fourth man from the grocery store rubble scene, and have contact with him, said Joe Fernandez, a spokesman for the Florida search and rescue team. It was "a unique situation ... because survivors are encased in food," he said. The trapped quake victims had been living on the store's inventory of food and water, authorities said.
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and...

CNN said:
Saturday, 9:35 p.m. -- Authorities say a woman trapped under the rubble of a bank is sending text messages pleading for help.

Sunday, 5:10 a.m. -- A Los Angeles County rescue crew chips away at concrete to try to reach a woman who sent a text message that she was buried beneath the ruins of a collapsed bank.
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Now some of the people are poor in the purse
They don't have the cash at the ready
And some of the people they're crippled and lame
They can never stand up true and steady
And some of the people are poor in the head
Like the simpleton fools that you see
But some of the people are poor in the heart
That's the worst kind of poor,
That's the worst kind of poor you can be!
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Richard Thompson
 
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