Split Thread Where is the evidence for Flight 77?

[twinstead]

What's funny is that you don't need a plane recovered to believe a story. A few pieces does not make a plane. Why don't you tell me how much of a plane was recovered when according to the official story everyone but one person was DNA identified?

Where is it? How much?

What is sad, and delightfully funny, is the very thought that some rabid conspiracy theorist like yourself would be placated if a few more pieces of the plane were presented personally to you via Fed-ex.

Dude. You're an ideologue. This isn't about plane parts, or any kind of evidence for you. Your righteous demand of 'more plane parts' is a rhetorical trick. It's almost as if you think we've never seen this before.

 

[DGM]

Dude. You're an ideologue. This isn't about plane parts, or any kind of evidence for you. Your righteous demand of 'more plane parts' is a rhetorical trick. It's almost as if you think we've never seen this before.

Your exactly right. How hard would it be to fake a pile of plane parts, especially considering all the rest of the crap that was supposedly planted. It's like the issue of WMD in Iraq, The Bush clan could pull off all of 9/11 undetected but couldn't plant a couple cases of anthrax.

 

[D Dub]

Because you claim to know what happened. Based on what?

a large body of evidence...

 

[Baylor]

Wow! This thread really took off. The moderator who split it is a genius for seeing the topic that is not resolved by the debunkers.

And the split thread "The FDR is not part of the plane" is still one of life's great mysteries.

 

[Athyrio]

The "wreakage"

Why? Why the hell are you here? Wouldn't it put it all to rest if we knew? It's up to them? Then what the hell is their problem? Do they have some reason to conceal it?

Show us the damn wreakage already, and inventory, and then none of this NOC crap means anything. I hate this nonsense. Let's get past it.

I have been doing research but the FAA will not release serial numbers for the planes.

Also because no one can show verifiable proof that the wreakage is from AA77.

You have no evidence at all that 1,000 people had acces to the wreakage. Stop the lies.

You have no evidnece that the wreakage found belongs to AA77. Stop the lies.

Pleased as Punch to see that the two of you are on the same page re: this matter.

 

[WildCat]

What's funny is that you don't need a plane recovered to believe a story. A few pieces does not make a plane. Why don't you tell me how much of a plane was recovered when according to the official story everyone but one person was DNA identified?

Where is it? How much?

Do you think they needed 100% of the body to identify it? If not, why do you think they need 100% of the plane?

 

[carlitos]

great minds

Pleased as Punch to see that the two of you are on the same page re: this matter.

I noticed this as well. Probably a coincidence.

This photo of wreckage on Pentagon lawn[/URL] was not hard to find. I googled "flight 77 wreckage" and ignored the conspiracy sites. Maybe you can't find it because you are spelling it "wreakage?"

...

We had another poster that made this same mistake. Perhaps it's a common error.

 

[MIKILLINI]

That's your speculation. We, on the other hand, have evidence for what happens when they don't show the plane and you are presented with evidence that what they say can't be true.

You shout from the rooftops: "NO NO NO THERE'S NOTHING TO SEE HERE! I BELIEVE THEM ANYWAY!".

Sure, and after 8 years you haven't made any progress in finding any of flight 77's passengers alive.
Perhaps you can explain your skepticism to their families.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Complaints about not "finding enough of a plane", or "enough of a body" obviously indicates they've been living in a cave since the late 1980's. DNA identification has been used extensively for these reasons since then after all.

And clearly we don't have to travel back very far concerning the matter of the lack of an identifiable plane after a major crash. High speed crashes into reinforced concrete or soil at 2/3 the speed of sound is a devastating combination.

Shocking I know... This trend of people not knowing the history of forensics and arguing that no proper forensic investigations were carried out is really troubling...

 

[The_Librarian]

Mr Reunion (Al-Jabr), I believe you are pulling our leg

There is absolutely nothing funny about 9/11. Do you even know what it means to people who grew up in the area? Or actually lost people that they grew up with?

Can you show me a inventory of the plane debris recovered? That's it. That's all I ask. I think you can't answer debunker.

You are the one suggesting that we have to substantiate "our" story with physical evidence, even as we are not the official investigators. If you truly care, why don't you ask them?
More, you dare to remind us of the grief of the families of the victims, and yet you are the one castigating doubts about their demise. Your very question (where is flight 77?) suggests that you believe the passengers to be elsewhere. And that a lot of the witnesses, officials, and families are accomplices of a horrific, murderous hoax. And we are the insensitive ones?
And finally, you ask for the impossible: a 8-year old pile of debris, most of it no larger than a hand. Not pictures, not just a few pieces, but all of it. As if anyone would be willing and able to keep all of this junk that long.

I believe you know it. I believe you don't care about any of the victims or their relatives. I believe you just want to feel superior.

Prove me wrong. Explain to us why you have any doubt about Flight 77, or any other. Prove to us you care. Until then, I don't care about whatever you may be saying. And I think none of the JREF debunkers care either.

 

[dropzone]

Shocking I know... This trend of people not knowing the history of forensics and arguing that no proper forensic investigations were carried out is really troubling...

Know too much about both to have followed them as career paths. However, I know at least one of the forensic anthropologists who identified the victims, and I absolutely loathe anybody who claims the people--their fellow human beings--who died there were really spirited away to some undefined imaginarium for some sort of permanent imprisonment. It sickens me.

 

[beachnut]

Why? Why the hell are you here? Wouldn't it put it all to rest if we knew? It's up to them? Then what the hell is their problem? Do they have some reason to conceal it?

Show us the damn wreakage already, and inventory, and then none of this NOC crap means anything. I hate this nonsense. Let's get past it.

wreakage? No wonder you can't find the wreckage.
i love it when truthers debunk themselves waving their hands posting stupid statements of woo


a concealed part from 77, oops, used at trial. oh noes

How did you come up with this 77 delusion junk?

 

[George 152]

wreakage? No wonder you can't find the wreckage.
i love it when truthers debunk themselves waving their hands posting stupid statements of woo

Some-one who can't spell wreckage is questioning the events of 911?

How is it that the less education they have the more certain they are of their claims ?

 

[Pardalis]

Because you claim to know what happened. Based on what?

I find the DNA evidence most compelling. It usually does the trick in any court of law.

You're welcome.

I think it's safe to conclude that the DNA of the passengers and crew found itself in the wreckage of the Pentagon by means of the plane they were in, which most likely crashed there, since the Pentagon is not equipped for a jet landing.

 

[twinstead]

I find the DNA evidence most compelling. It usually does the trick in any court of law.

Hold on, though. We all know that defense lawyers consistently get their clients off simply by claiming that the DNA evidence against them "could have been faked", right?

 

[Pardalis]

Hold on, though. We all know that defense lawyers consistently get their clients off simply by claiming that the DNA evidence against them "could have been faked", right?

Overruled.

 

[LashL]

Overruled.

With gavel, even.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Know too much about both to have followed them as career paths. However, I know at least one of the forensic anthropologists who identified the victims, and I absolutely loathe anybody who claims the people--their fellow human beings--who died there were really spirited away to some undefined imaginarium for some sort of permanent imprisonment. It sickens me.

Hence why I hate getting too involved with this no-plane ****. Alot of these discussions trivialize the idea that it involved real people. The fact that the concept of DNA identification is a somehow new concept after being around for over 20 years now shows along with everything else how stupid this argument is :\

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Good God, this thread is stupid from the get-go. The convergence of evidence, from the electronic data encompassing radar data and the flight data recorders, DNA evidence, plane debris, and eyewitness statements all converge to confirm Flight 77's identity. And keep in mind that I'm naming classes of evidence, each of which contains myriad pieces of evidence.

The "evidence" for FL77's identity is not one single "smoking gun", but rather is a convergence of many large piles of evidence. For example: How many witness statements exist? The OP deserves little more than scorn and bare links as refutation:

• http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/prosecution.html
• http://flight77.info/
• http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary
• http://www.mikejwilson.com/911/

... and this is all that is needed. Even though it's only a summary of some of the information, and even though more exists, it suffices. Enough said, close the thread.

 

[Algebra34]

Any you debunkers count up those plane parts yet? Parts? Debris? Wreckage? Wreakage?

Whatever ya got. Thanks!