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8 out of 8 at Citgo station

mudlark said:
What? You did not point out anything "wrong" with it.
You said that it does not address the pull up and that is false. You didn´t bother your rearend to read it.

The pull up is addressed in detail on page 4.
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Ugh, a true believer, obviously being feed lies by either the mutts at CIT or the idiots at PFFT.

The idiots did the calculations using two different separate flight paths, separately, using two flight paths that contradict the so called corroborated witnesses. It is absolutely worthless.

As is this thread.

Let me know if you are going to do the calculations for your heroes' flight path, until then, STFU.
 
DGM said:
Paik and Morin don't even agree. How can you say we "covered" them. If by "covered" you mean decided to ignore the inconsistencies between their statements and CIT, then yes we did.:o
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That's the same impression I got.
 
Childlike Empress said:
DGM will now tell us how the witnesses at the CITGO station contradict what Paik and Morin said.
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I'll pass. Until it can be shown that a 757 could aerodynamically fly the path CIT witnesses claims (although I don't think they do), there is no point.

Bottom line= If the plane can't fly it, it couldn't happen, They were ether mistaken or misinterpreted (I go for the latter).
 
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Childlike Empress said:
Still wrong. They agree that the plane was completely north of Columbia Pike. When according to the data, it never crossed the road.
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You forgot to add "and not NOC". Their paths (taken from what they say) are much closer to the "official" then CIT. If you take how CIT draws their path, it's not even flyable.

For what it's worth, They don't actually claim it was "completely north" That's inferred by CIT.
 
Childlike Empress said:
The problem beside your desperate "south side" spinning - and you must be aware of it if you really looked into the issue and heard Morin's testimony - is that the data and the "official story" has the plane so fast that it would only take - what - three seconds to move from the Navy Annex to the Pentagon. No time for him to change his position at all.
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The only spinning is that done by Basalmo and Ranke who ignore everything else Morin plainly says in order to make him into a NOC witness. You don't care that Morin's testimony is taken out of context and distorted, even though it is painfully obvious that it is. There is no way for Morin to describe what he claimed to have seen with a plane on a NOC path, unless he had X-Ray vision or if the Navy Annex and all its furnishings were made of see-though glass. Do you really believe that the Navy Annex is made of glass? I think it is more likely that you haven't taken care to read what Morin actually says.

The duration was a little longer than you have it (approx. 4.4 seconds, distance of 3,422 ft. and speed of 780 fps), and the duration was much longer in Morin's original testimony by which he heard the plane a few moments before it came into view. Since Morin said in 2001 (immediately after the event) that he was already out from between the wings of the Navy Annex when he saw the plane, this is probably the more accurate report and would not have had his view obscured by the building at all and he would have already been in the parking lot at the time. At an average sprinting speed of 7 mph, he could have ran 20.5 feet in 2 seconds to get a better view, or if he was a fast runner, he could have reached 30 feet in the same duration at 10 mph. He probably kept changing his position throughout the whole 4.4 seconds to keep improving his view of the plane.

None of this matters because what he describes seeing prior to impact is only possible from a SOC flight path. You can say you reject him as a witness, but you cannot make him into a NOC witness unless you give him superhero powers.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
I have supported my statements with evidence. You didn't. The readers will notice that.
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When ALL the evidence of that day is presented, your statements are irrelevant, and your flight path impossible. You forget, unlike you we don't believe the physical evidence, like the DNA evidence, was somehow 'faked', so I believe OUR statements are the ones backed up by evidence. Claim that evidence was faked, whatever, but you can't claim it isn't there.
 
DGM said:
Paik and Morin don't even agree. How can you say we "covered" them. If by "covered" you mean decided to ignore the inconsistencies between their statements and CIT, then yes we did.:o

Childlike Empress said:
You have yet to name those inconsistencies.
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Uhhhh...Paik and Morin say the plane hit the pentagon. CIT says the plane did not hit the pentagon.
 
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Mangoose said:
None of this matters because what he describes seeing prior to impact is only possible from a SOC flight path. You can say you reject him as a witness, but you cannot make him into a NOC witness unless you give him superhero powers.
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The plane was not over the Navy Annex at all according to the official data. Terry Morin is a north side witness and everybody can check what he had to say, because i've posted the links.
 
i am curious as to how much weight should be put into the story of ANY witness to a plane moving at 500 mph. I mean honestly, not only was it 9 years ago, but the thing was moving soo fast, and NO ONE could have seen it for more then a few seconds.

how could the story of anyone really be considered? I mean, if they saw the plane hit the Pentagon, that is another story.

but angle of descent? exact location and trajectory? position over certain buildings?

please...
 
Childlike Empress said:
None of the witnesses report the plane at that speed.
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this is true. did any of the CITGO witnesses report the identity of the aircrafts?

did any of the witnesses notice the plane i.d. number?

:p

seriously, the only witness testimony that I consider reliable from these people, is that there WAS a plane, if came from the West, and it hit the Pentagon. all the other stuff is too easily influenced by perspective and angle from the ground, the short time frame of their view, and innocent human error.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
None of the witnesses report the plane at that speed.
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How would they know how fast it was going? What would be the frame of reference?

Unless you can find some reason to dismiss the physical evidence eyewitness anomalies are non-starters. Besides, none of the NOC paths are flyable leading to the only logical conclusion that they were mistaken.
 
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