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8 out of 8 at Citgo station

Fascinating how pentagon fly-over people throw their own witness's statements under the bus when it has anything to do with all of them point at the pentagon as the impact area. Absolutely fascinating...
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Fascinating how pentagon fly-over people throw their own witness's statements under the bus when it has anything to do with all of them point at the pentagon as the impact area. Absolutely fascinating...
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Yep. It seems to me that they throw out all witness testimony, of any kind, except in the case of the small handful of people who claim to see it on another path.. and even then, that's the only part of their testimony that they give any credence to. Just that little bit where their testimony is different from the massive group of other witnesses.

It's pretty damned obvious to anyone with half a brain. But then, these are people who are convinced that being able to punch even the slightest tiny hole into the massive, overwhelming evidence that's out there, somehow makes the entire "official story" suspect.
 
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Grizzly Bear said:
Fascinating how pentagon fly-over people throw their own witness's statements under the bus when it has anything to do with all of them point at the pentagon as the impact area. Absolutely fascinating...
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I have no problem accepting that even NOC witnesses believe they saw an impact. What I DO have a problem with is the official flight-path before it allegedly reached that point.

Even the witnesses linked to earlier in this thread do NOT contradict NOC.
The ´hundred plus witnesses to an impact´ is a falsehood.
I´m still waiting on the SOC witnesses. Apparently there are ´100´s of them´
 
Mudlark doesn't it seem odd to you that nobody saw a flyover? Doesn't that make your "hmmm" meter go off? How could something like that be missed by EVERY witness?
 
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Whiplash said:
Yep. It seems to me that they throw out all witness testimony, of any kind, except in the case of the small handful of people who claim to see it on another path.. and even then, that's the only part of their testimony that they give any credence to. Just that little bit where their testimony is different from the massive group of other witnesses.
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Which ´massive group´ would that be then?
Is there even a small group (say...2) who corraborate eachother on SOC?
Ignore the NOC witnesses all you want. That they ALL collectively ´misremembered´. They are the only confirmed testimony.
Media quotes does it for you?
Media quotes that have been proven to be false/journalistic embellishment in many cases?
Quotes that I have just shown have no bearing on the NOC/SOC debate?
 
mudlark said:
Impact is impossible from NOC.
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BZZZT! The correct answer is... D! 11 of CIT's 13 eyewitnesses actually saw, with their own eyes, the plane hit the Pentagon. The only two who didn't were Paik (who was too far away) and Turcios (who ran like hell, and I can't say I blame him in those circumstances). Check out what Sean Boger has to say about the impact, and watch Ranquis twist themselves into knots trying to explain it away.

Thanks for playing though. You do get a lovely parting gift.
 
DGM said:
These people saw the freaking (or were there) plane. Did they talk to them?
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As far as I know, CIT have tried to contact all they possibly could.
Whether these people want to be interviewed is another matter altogether.
 
jhunter1163 said:
BZZZT! The correct answer is... D! 11 of CIT's 13 eyewitnesses actually saw, with their own eyes, the plane hit the Pentagon. The only two who didn't were Paik (who was too far away) and Turcios (who ran like hell, and I can't say I blame him in those circumstances). Check out what Sean Boger has to say about the impact, and watch Ranquis twist themselves into knots trying to explain it away.

Thanks for playing though. You do get a lovely parting gift.
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The ANC workers (apart from William Middleton)? They ADMITTED that they were too busy running away as the plane was nearly on top of them.
Roosevelt Roberts? The guy who said that ´the explosion hit´ THEN he saw the plane? Weird impact witness.
Brooks even admitted that he ´deduced the lightpoles being ´struck´ but retracted this in his interview with CIT.
Deduction played a major part.
And again, whether they believed they saw an ´impact´ or not, this is physically impossible from NOC.

Lagasse

¨Obviously what I saw happened, therefore the conclusions made by people who didnt see it can be flawed...I accept the fact that there can be miscalculations on my part, but NOT whether or not the plane was on the North or South side of the gas station."
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Levi Stephens

Stars & Stripes September 12, 2001

Levi Stephens, 23, a courier for the Armed Forces Information Service, spoke of the crash:

"I was driving away from the Pentagon in the South Pentagon lot when I hear this huge rumble, the ground started shaking … I saw this [plane] come flying over the Navy Annex. It flew over the van and I looked back and I saw this huge explosion, black smoke everywhere."
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CIT phoned and e-mailed this witness and revealed that the plane did NOT fly over his van and that he was ´misquoted´.
CIT sent him an image to depict exactly where he was and came to this conclusion:

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He said:

¨Notice it's a one way street that allows you to circle South parking. I was looking for a parking spot. So as the plane flew in I had to physically turn around to watch it. I stopped there when I noticed how low the plane was. The reporter sort of misquoted me I was actually driving away from the Pentagon directionally as I wasn't facing the building."
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The explosion occurred diectly behind him at @300m or more.

On being asked about the flightpath he confirmed that it flew over the Navy Annex, that he did NOT witness the lightpoles being ´struck´ and that he had ´put 2 and 2 together´ after watching the news.
He was adamant that the plane flew on the ¨Arlington Cemetery´ side of the Citgo Station - North Side.

NOC = No impact.
 
mudlark said:
NOC = No impact.
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NOC, SOC, Coming down from the moon, beamed in by fairies...the number of eye witnesses who SAW the plane hit the Pentagon, the huge amount of physical evidence = IMPACT.

Deal with it.
 
twinstead said:
NOC, SOC, Coming down from the moon, beamed in by fairies...the number of eye witnesses who SAW the plane hit the Pentagon, the huge amount of physical evidence = IMPACT.

Deal with it.
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Hey! Maybe the plane burrowed under the building and popped up in the river and swam away. I could happen!:D
 
DGM said:
I'll take that as a no. How many people DID CIT interview? (numbers please)
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Andrea Kaiser
Kirk Milburn (RIP)
Phillip Sheuerman
Thomas J. Trapasso
Dawn Vignola
Deb Anlauf (wouldn´t return call)
Mike Walter
Frank Probst
Vin Narayanan
Steve Gerard
John O'Keefe
Madelyn Zackem
Lt. Col O'Brien
Stephen McGraw
Don Scott
Wanda Ramey
Lloyd England

unreachable:

G. T. Stanley
Carla Thompson
Afework Hagos
Tim Timmerman

They are still trying to contact as MANY as is possible.
How many have been interviewed to COUNTER their evidence?
Numbers please..
 
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