Childlike Empress
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For those who haven't payed attention: Edward points east. On the north side of Columbia Pike.
8 out of 8 at Citgo station
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How anyone can say that Ed Paik supports the NOC theory is baffling. Regardless of which gif you're looking at, he's clearly pointing up and down Columbia Pike...the path that AA77 took. The fact that Paiks account alone shows him..
- pointing along two separate path's just moments apart
- drawing a flight path not compatible with either of them
...is a sort of microcosm of this NOC idiocy. Eyewitnesses get details wrong almost exclusively; this shouldn't surprising to anyone that regularly watches the news after a major event, or served on a jury.
How anyone can think that hundreds of eyewitnesses were all dumb enough to miss a 757 pulling up and flying over the Pentagon; just "assuming" that it impacted is even more baffling. Uh, the engines would still be growling at 140 dB and to date, I believe we still lack the ability to cloak objects.
These people either need to get a life, be put on meds, or enrolled in special education. They are not well.
- pointing along two separate path's just moments apart
- drawing a flight path not compatible with either of them
...is a sort of microcosm of this NOC idiocy. Eyewitnesses get details wrong almost exclusively; this shouldn't surprising to anyone that regularly watches the news after a major event, or served on a jury.
How anyone can think that hundreds of eyewitnesses were all dumb enough to miss a 757 pulling up and flying over the Pentagon; just "assuming" that it impacted is even more baffling. Uh, the engines would still be growling at 140 dB and to date, I believe we still lack the ability to cloak objects.
These people either need to get a life, be put on meds, or enrolled in special education. They are not well.
Childlike Empress
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People who follow the discussion have seen Paik's testimony. I pointed to the relevant minute in #165. They have seen him turn away from the street and explaining how the plane flew over his garages and the right wing was over where he is standing.
They understand that this completely contradicts the "real/official" flightpath.
They understand that this completely contradicts the "real/official" flightpath.
I knew all about Paik's testimony well before you fell for this moronic idiocy. He's pointing down a road that leads to a South of Citgo flightpath, he even said that it may have hit the VDOT tower. Do you know where that is? Do you need another map drawn for you?
Childlike Empress
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It speaks for itself, apathoid. Some people may have even continued watching one witness after the other lining up and describing the plane approaching over the navy annex and flying between the citgo station and arlington cemetary. It is between 16:00 and 51:00 in the "NSA" presentation. Every rational person understands what they see there. It is not debatable. Obfuscation doesn't work. The evidence is there. Hence my question in #139 that you haven't answered.
You do realize that these NoC witnesses were only a small percentage of the total witnesses CIT interviewed? Tell me you realize that before we go on...
So, why didn't the others count? If I were so inclined, I bet I could go to Arlington, hand pick another 8 witnesses that show a south of the Columbia Pike approach. With a little conditioning, like CIT did, it'd be a piece of cake.
Anyhow, can you give me an idea of the mental gymnastics you're going through with this obvious "special pleading" case? Most of them(plus a hundred or so others) all agree that the plane in question impacted the Pentagon. What did you do to convince yourself that somehow all of these people were dumb enough to mistake a plane hitting a building for a plane pulling up and missing it? Do you realize how stupid someone would have to be to make that mistake? Let alone 100 people making the same mistake?
1 - They aren't mistaken in the same bizarre way. Look at the extreme cases of Paik and Morin. If you think those accounts are similar, there is really no point in engaging you further. Relative to the impact point, they are about 20 degrees apart and one is south of the Navy Annex and the other is north of it.
2 - Strawman.
3 - Strawman
4 - They did the best they could and they got it wrong, well except for Paik. One thing that still stands out to me is how LaGasse misremebered where the downed light poles were; thinking they too were farther north than where they actually were. Funny huh?
5- Sounds about right to me.
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You have no idea, what these words mean, in bold type. I did this to make it easy for you. I hope you take the time to look them up. Your 'argument' is in epic fail mode, AGAIN, defending the Citizen Idiots Tripe. I suggest you study close the actual definitions, of the words pointed out to you. If after doing so honestly, you still cling to this madness, please seek professional help.
Happy New Year everyone!
DGM
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I addressed your question but you never answered mine. How do you explain all the different flight paths? How do you explain Mr Paik saying that the plane hit the VDOT tower? How did they all miss the Fly-over (or under)? These are points (among many others) that CIT hand waves away. This doesn't bother you?
Anyone can make a case for just about anything if you narrow your focus enough.
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Childlike Empress
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Go ahead apathoid, Terry Morin is the next witness in "NSA". You can find the relevant content of his account from 18:50 to 21:30 in the video:
Tell us how his testimony contradicts Paik's.
Tell us how his testimony contradicts Paik's.
Childlike Empress
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DGM
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Yes and the fact they are grossly different from each other and the physical evidence leads only to a conclusion they were mistaken.
What else could it logically be? Got a theory (they don't)?
I guess you got me there. I confused Morin with whoever had it farthest north. You can go ahead and throw out Morin too now.
By the way, I'm answering your questions but notice all mine have gone unanswered...
Childlike Empress
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That makes it 2:0 for me. Paik, Morin.
We can go down the list, it's really not difficult to understand because CIT have such a good job in presenting it.
I corrected you on the "answer" you gave to my question. You were wrong.
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DGM
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Yes, and if you compare them to ALL the eyewitnesses what picture can you logically draw?
If you want to base your conclusions on only a small subset of the facts that's alright with me but, that's not how normal investigations work.
You stand corrected...again.
"Terry Morin, a former USMC aviator, Program Manager for SPARTA, Inc was working as a contractor at the BMDO offices at the old Navy Annex. Having just reached the elevator in the 5th Wing of BMDO Federal Office Building (FOB) # 2. He heard "an increasingly loud rumbling" One to two seconds later the airliner came into my field of view. By that time the noise was absolutely deafening. The aircraft was essentially right over the top of me and the outer portion of the FOB (flight path parallel the outer edge of the FOB). Everything was shaking and vibrating, including the ground. I estimate that the aircraft was no more than 100 feet above me (30 to 50 feet above the FOB) in a slight nose down attitude. The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines, but I couldn't be sure. It looked like a 737 and I so reported to authorities. Within seconds the plane cleared the 8th Wing of BMDO and was heading directly towards the Pentagon. Engines were at a steady high-pitched whine, indicating to me that the throttles were steady and full. I estimated the aircraft speed at between 350 and 400 knots. The flight path appeared to be deliberate, smooth, and controlled. As the aircraft approached the Pentagon, I saw a minor flash (later found out that the aircraft had sheared off a portion of a highway light pole down on Hwy 110). As the aircraft flew ever lower I started to lose sight of the actual airframe as a row of trees to the Northeast of the FOB blocked my view. I could now only see the tail of the aircraft. I believe I saw the tail dip slightly to the right indicating a minor turn in that direction. The tail was barely visible when I saw the flash and subsequent fireball rise approximately 200 feet above the Pentagon. There was a large explosion noise and the low frequency sound echo that comes with this type of sound. Associated with that was the increase in air pressure, momentarily, like a small gust of wind. For those formerly in the military, it sounded like a 2000lb bomb going off roughly 1/2 mile in front of you. At once there was a huge cloud of black smoke that rose several hundred feet up. Elapsed time from hearing the initial noise to when I saw the impact flash was between 12 and 15 seconds. (...) the aircraft had been flown directly into the Pentagon without hitting the ground first or skipping into the building. (...) The firemen were appreciative, as the heat inside the building generated from the 8,500 gallons of jet fuel was, in their words, "unbelievable." It was reported that at least three of the fireman had to be given IV fluids due to the extreme heat."
^terrible grammatical structure not mine.
Yup, supports the official story. The outside edge of FOB is only 2 wingspans from the official flightpath. Paik and Morin both have good flightpaths that are slightly, maybe 2-5 degrees from the actual "official" flight path. What's the problem again?
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Childlike Empress
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DGM
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I espesially like this part from Morin:
He couldn't see this if he was where CIT claims.
He couldn't see this if he was where CIT claims.