Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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DOC said:
Angels are mentioned over 100 times in the OT and over 150 times in the NT. Christ also mentions angels. That's good enough for me. If not for you so be it.

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-acb/acb-t005.html
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I don't know how many time Harry Potter is mentioned in the Seven Books of Harry Potter.

Paul

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and all the other things and people, does that make them real too, is it because something is written it has to be true, or does someone have to give something that we can test.
 
DOC it seems you were talking to yourself...

DOC said:
Angels are mentioned over 100 times in the OT and over 150 times in the NT. Christ also mentions angels. That's good enough for me. If not for you so be it.
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DOC said:
That's not a logical statement.
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BTW, it is obvious that your only goal here is to maintain this thread on the first page. You are no longer interested in debating the OP. You haven't offered any support for the existing evidence OR any new evidence. As such, This thread really should be closed.
 
Doc, for the love of Zeus, we don't even know who the authors of the new testament gospels were, let alone whether they were reporting the truth. You will have to come up with much more solid evidence than you have thus far if you want to be taken seriously.
 
amb said:
Doc, for the love of Zeus, we don't even know who the authors of the new testament gospels were, let alone whether they were reporting the truth. You will have to come up with much more solid evidence than you have thus far if you want to be taken seriously.
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Actually, any evidence of any sort would be nice.
 
Doc has said: "I've never come across a supposed inconsistency in the NT that can't be logically explained."

The last time he crowed about that, I posted as follows, post # #8473. But Doc didn't answer my post.

"I'm noticing more and more that Christian apologists are downplaying or denying that there is a hell; or that the existence of hell is a Christian teaching.

I don't know where you stand on this one issue, Doc. So I'll ask you."

I quoted the many very literal and graphic references in the N.T. to the punishment of non-Christians (and Christian sinners) to eternal torture in hell.

Matthew 25:41, 46.

Mark 9:43-48

Luke 16:22-24 ; 26

John 5:28-29

Revelation 14:10-11

And finally,

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction."

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So I asked Doc:

"Seems pretty clear to me that these writings are describing a literal hell. So that means that those who 'know not god' must be tortured forever.

But people don't get to choose what culture they're born into, do they?

So all the pagan babies will be tortured eternally for being born pagan.

So how can a 'good' god treat his creatures so unjustly?

What loving father would throw his newborn into a fire ? "

"Isn't that a profound and unanswerable contradiction in the N.T. ?"

Yet Doc didn't answer.

So here's another N.T. contradiction:

(1) Trinitarian Christians say that the Lord of the O.T. and Jesus of the N.T. are one god.

(2) Jesus says that the Lord is 'good'.

(3) But Jesus says he himself is not good. (Matthew 19: 16,17)

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God ..."

So how can two persons, one good and one not good, be the same person?
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Just a couple of very basic contradictions here.

So how DO you deal with them, Doc?
 
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babbits said:
Doc has said: "I've never come across a supposed inconsistency in the NT that can't be logically explained."

The last time he crowed about that, I posted as follows, post # #8473. But Doc didn't answer my post.

"I'm noticing more and more that Christian apologists are downplaying or denying that there is a hell; or that the existence of hell is a Christian teaching.

I don't know where you stand on this one issue, Doc. So I'll ask you."

I quoted the many very literal and graphic references in the N.T. to the punishment of non-Christians (and Christian sinners) to eternal torture in hell.

Matthew 25:41, 46.

Mark 9:43-48

Luke 16:22-24 ; 26

John 5:28-29

Revelation 14:10-11

And finally,

2 Thessalonians 1:8-9

"In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction."

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So I asked Doc:

"Seems pretty clear to me that these writings are describing a literal hell. So that means that those who 'know not god' must be tortured forever.

But people don't get to choose what culture they're born into, do they?

So all the pagan babies will be tortured eternally for being born pagan.

So how can a 'good' god treat his creatures so unjustly?

What loving father would throw his newborn into a fire ? "

"Isn't that a profound and unanswerable contradiction in the N.T. ?"

Yet Doc didn't answer.

So here's another N.T. contradiction:

(1) Trinitarian Christians say that the Lord of the O.T. and Jesus of the N.T. are one god.

(2) Jesus says that the Lord is 'good'.

(3) But Jesus says he himself is not good. (Matthew 19: 16,17)

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God ..."

So how can two persons, one good and one not good, be the same person?
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Just a couple of very basic contradictions here.

So how DO you deal with them, Doc?
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Probably by pointing out the lack of contradictions.
 
My recent favourite (beyond the ressurection) is asking "how did Judas die?". I've had a theist say in response that there is no contradiction here and refuse to explain, so some hand-waving about 1 or 2 angels while ignoring the supposed divine-inspiration aspect of the bible myth is not surprising in the least.
 
DOC said:
Maybe the witness didn't miss him, but only chose to write about the angel that specifically talked to them,
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Absolutely. Because if I saw two velociraptors on the street tomorrow and one of them spoke to me, I wouldn't have reason to say I saw two velocir... oh wait, I would.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Absolutely. Because if I saw two velociraptors on the street tomorrow and one of them spoke to me, I wouldn't have reason to say I saw two velocir... oh wait, I would.
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Look, I don't mean to have a go but you are being silly and it doesn't help. We all know velociraptors existed 70 million years ago. It is possible that they could have survived all this time in a secret undiscovered valley and they could have, in that time evolved to talk, coincidently adopting the exact same words and grammar as we have in English giving them the ability to speak to us.

Angels on the other hand, everyone knows they are fictional. You can't realistically compare the two possibilities.
 
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DOC said:
Maybe the witness didn't miss him, but only chose to write about the angel that specifically talked to them, and because the other angel was 20 feet away.

Suppose I go to a ball game and a friend from high school that I haven't seen in 20 years comes up to me and starts talking to me. He tells me he is with another guy from our same class. The other guy which I didn't know that well is 30 feet away and I wave to him.

Now later that night I might write in my diary that I saw a guy I knew in high school even though I actually saw two.
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Would it be possible for you to stop simply making things up when you are faced with a contradiction? If your faith can only be supported by lying then I strongly suggest that you re-examine you faith, assuming that you have the intelligence to do so. You simply have no idea whether this is true or not. But rather than thinking, you straightaway go for making something up about neglecting to mention an angel that was there too. Even according to your own beliefs, your god gave you a brain and yet you fail to ever use it.

If you are incapable of providing any evidence for your OP please just admit it and stop repeatedly posting the same old nonsense that has been debunked over and over again.
 
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Excuse me for sticking my freshly varnished oar into this discussion, but why is anyone bothering to argue with someone who can't tell the difference between opinion and evidence and who uses passages from the Bible as proof of the veracity of the Bible?

Move on..... there really is nothing to see here.
 
marineboy said:
Excuse me for sticking my freshly varnished oar into this discussion, but why is anyone bothering to argue with someone who can't tell the difference between opinion and evidence and who uses passages from the Bible as proof of the veracity of the Bible?

Move on..... there really is nothing to see here.
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To me, this thread - and the deafening silence of all/any other so called christians - is a virtual monument to the vapidity that is 'belief-based bollocks' (aka religion)
 
marineboy said:
Excuse me for sticking my freshly varnished oar into this discussion, but why is anyone bothering to argue with someone who can't tell the difference between opinion and evidence and who uses passages from the Bible as proof of the veracity of the Bible?

Move on..... there really is nothing to see here.
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Welcome marineboy. Most are hanging around hoping to see some evidence that the Babble writers were at least attempting to tell the truth. :p
 
marineboy said:
Excuse me for sticking my freshly varnished oar into this discussion, but why is anyone bothering to argue with someone who can't tell the difference between opinion and evidence and who uses passages from the Bible as proof of the veracity of the Bible?

Move on..... there really is nothing to see here.
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Good point.

Bye-bye.

(Besides, I feel like a bully.)
 
six7s said:
To me, this thread - and the deafening silence of all/any other so called christians - is a virtual monument to the vapidity that is 'belief-based bollocks' (aka religion)
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I think they're too busy laughing at arguments relying on strawvelociraptors.
 
If asked what evidence do christians base their faith on, the regular answer is the babble.
If then asked have you ever looked beyond the bible for evidence of the authenticity of this bible most will look at you with an incredulous expression on their face.
That I believe is the big problem. Education.
 
sphenisc said:
I think they're too busy laughing at arguments relying on strawvelociraptors.
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So you believe inconsistencies in accounts written 30-100 years after the fact and basing an entire religion off of these faulty accounts is fully acceptable.

OK.:rolleyes:
 
joobz said:
So you believe inconsistencies in accounts written 30-100 years after the fact and basing an entire religion off of these faulty accounts is fully acceptable.

OK.:rolleyes:
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So you believe using non sequiturs is a valid form of argument. :rolleyes:
 
dafydd said:
Story being the operative word Doc.Angels do not exist,leastways I have never seen any evidence of their existence.Do you have any? Apart from stories in the bible?
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