Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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ETA: Then again, how do you miss an NBA player? They're not small and inconspicuous.

I'd miss an NBA (or NFL, or MLB...) player. I don't follow sports. To me, he'd just look like a tall, athletic, male. Not someone who's grossly overpaid to play a kids game for millions of cheering idiots.
 
Using DOC's "law on non-contradiction"(that he so loves to trot out); both accounts can't be right. So at least one of them must be wrong.


He wrote me a prescription he said you are depressed
But I'm glad you came to see me to get this off your chest
Come back and see me later - next patient please
Send in another victim of industrial disease

I go down to speakers corner I'm thunderstruck
They got free speech, tourists, police in trucks
Two men say they're Jesus; one of them must be wrong
There's a protest singer singing a protest song . . .


- Dire Straits indeed​
 
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God shuffled his feet and glanced around at them;
The people cleared their throats and stared right back at him

The people sat waiting
Out on their blankets in the garden
But God said nothing
So someone asked him: "I beg your pardon:
I'm not quite clear about what you just spoke
Was that a parable, or a very subtle joke?"

God shuffled his feet and glanced around at them;
The people cleared their throats and stared right back at him


- Crash Test Dummies indeed​
 
You would probably love Spud Webb as well. :)

I actually thought of Spud Webb myself while thinking "I really shouldn't add this."

So, anyway, where are we on evidence for why we know the NT writers told the truth? They told the truth, but they weren't very observant as far as angels are concerned?
 
I'll repeat myself but phrase it differently.......if one witness sees 2 people and another witness sees 1 (because he didn't see the other one, or miscounted, or forgot...whatever) then one of the witnesses is wrong. Your argument demands that some of the bible is wrong.
He would be wrong if he said there was "only" 1 angel. But the bible doesn't say there was "only" 1. So there is no contradiction
 
And the only reason there is something that seems like a contradiction in the NT is that there are 4 Gospels. Don't you think the council of clergy that decided what was to be the Church's authorized bible knew there was some supposed contradictions. Obviously they must have felt that using those 4 gospels presented a fuller more informative account of the life of Christ and this was more important to do then worry about some minor detaills that appear to contradict.

If they were really concerned about what appears to be minor differences as skeptics are obsessed with, they would have just picked one or two gospels instead of the fuller more informative 4.

And as I have said before the perceived differences kill the theory that the gospels were just copies of each other. Skeptics complain that the gospels are too different and then they complain that they are too similiar and copies of each other.
 
And the only reason there is something that seems like a contradiction in the NT is that there are 4 Gospels. Don't you think the council of clergy that decided what was to be the Church's authorized bible knew there was some supposed contradictions. Obviously they must have felt that using those 4 gospels presented a fuller more informative account of the life of Christ and this was more important to do then worry about some minor detaills that appear to contradict.

If they were really concerned about what appears to be minor differences as skeptics are obsessed with, they would have just picked one or two gospels instead of the fuller more informative 4.

And as I have said before the perceived differences kill the theory that the gospels were just copies of each other. Skeptics complain that the gospels are too different and then they complain that they are too similiar and copies of each other.

<<mutter mutter mutter...what I SHOULDA told him was...mutter...and then I SHOULDA said...mutter mutter...I'm going back there and give that guy a piece of my mind...think he can tell ME what's what?...mutter mutter>>
 
And the only reason there is something that seems like a contradiction in the NT is that there are 4 Gospels. Don't you think the council of clergy that decided what was to be the Church's authorized bible knew there was some supposed contradictions. Obviously they must have felt that using those 4 gospels presented a fuller more informative account of the life of Christ and this was more important to do then worry about some minor detaills that appear to contradict.

If they were really concerned about what appears to be minor differences as skeptics are obsessed with, they would have just picked one or two gospels instead of the fuller more informative 4.

And as I have said before the perceived differences kill the theory that the gospels were just copies of each other. Skeptics complain that the gospels are too different and then they complain that they are too similiar and copies of each other.

So, you're saying that the NT books weren't decided upon by God, but rather by man?

And what about all the other NT books that were thrown out due to too many contradictions. Those were, technically, NT books that the Church decided against - were those writers all telling the truth?
 
And the only reason there is something that seems like a contradiction in the NT is that there are 4 Gospels. Don't you think the council of clergy that decided what was to be the Church's authorized bible knew there was some supposed contradictions. Obviously they must have felt that using those 4 gospels presented a fuller more informative account of the life of Christ and this was more important to do then worry about some minor detaills that appear to contradict.


They made their decisions based on perceived authorship and they argued vociferously about which books to include and not include.

But all that is beside the point. You can decide that the books were written by men and do not mesh completely or that they were inspired by God and they contain contradictions, which is itself a contradiction. You can't have it both ways.

If they were really concerned about what appears to be minor differences as skeptics are obsessed with, they would have just picked one or two gospels instead of the fuller more informative 4.

What in the world makes you think that there was some sort of consensus about these books? There were violent arguments for decades about them. The reason that the four gospels we have were agreed upon was because they fit the emerging proto-orthodox position that tried to maintain a tightrope walk between competing conceptions of who and what Jesus was.

They were not at all obsessed over minor differences, which is why those differences of fact and perspective are there for all to see. The were concerned with a particular view of who Jesus was -- so the differences didn't matter to them at all. They had bigger concerns to deal with --there were competing views that threatened to become the majority.

Sceptics don't care about the contradictions either except when Bible-thumping halfwits suggest that everything in the New Testament is true -- which obviously cannot be the case since contradictions of fact do exist.

And as I have said before the perceived differences kill the theory that the gospels were just copies of each other. Skeptics complain that the gospels are too different and then they complain that they are too similiar and copies of each other.

If you paid any attention you would realize that no one has ever made the claim that the gospels are just copies of each other. Where in the world did you ever get that silly idea? The claim is that Matthew and Luke used Mark as a source because they very obviously did. They changed bits of Mark and used the exact same wording in other areas. John is part of a different tradition.

Could you, in future, get at least one part of the story correct? How tremendously embarrassing this must be for you. Why do you continue to misrepresent others so thoroughly?
 
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He would be wrong if he said there was "only" 1 angel. But the bible doesn't say there was "only" 1. So there is no contradiction

Are you really going to use that defense? Sorry judge that those guys said that I stole $1 million and I told you that I put a dollar in my pocket. I didn't restrict myself to that one dollar though, so there is no contradiction. Yeah, there may have been another $999,999 in there as well.

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Equivocation on the word "contradiction" by claiming there is no logical contradiction when there is an obvious contradiction in fact is just plain intellectually dishonest. Does that describe you, DOC? Intellectually dishonest? Is that how you choose to be known, remembered for all eternity? It's out there now, in digital form. You can take it back, though, if you choose to do the right thing.
 
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This is all fascinating!

However... I'm still curious about one thing...

DOC, do you have any "evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth"?
 
If they were really concerned about what appears to be minor differences as skeptics are obsessed with, they would have just picked one or two gospels instead of the fuller more informative 4.
I think you misunderstand. Our "Obsession" is with reality. With what can be proven. Verified. Maybe we are obsessed with it, but it's a very useful obsession.

On the other hand, You are the one attempting to claim that these collections of books written decades after Jesus and assembled by committee are somehow magical. Indeed, you seem obsessed with trying to claim that these books, which condone immoral behavior like slavery, are the words of god.
 
Can we just have this thread closed?

It's dead.

DOC has failed to provide evidence that the N.T. writers wrote the truth, and everyone knows it but him.

The only reason it's still here is because DOC keeps bumping it whenever it nears the bottom of the first page.
 
Can we just have this thread closed?

It's dead.

DOC has failed to provide evidence that the N.T. writers wrote the truth, and everyone knows it but him.

The only reason it's still here is because DOC keeps bumping it whenever it nears the bottom of the first page.


For my part, done.

I'll make this my last post in this thread.


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Can we just have this thread closed?

It's dead.

DOC has failed to provide evidence that the N.T. writers wrote the truth, and everyone knows it but him.

The only reason it's still here is because DOC keeps bumping it whenever it nears the bottom of the first page.
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