Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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BobTheDonkey said:
However, as has been pointed out, quite a few of your stories about Jesus and his resurrection are directly conflicting.
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As I have said, I've have seen none that can't be logically explained . For example the one and two angel supposed inconsistancy at the tomb. Suppose me and my friend Bill go into a store and I see a professional basketball player I really admire and my friend sees him also but also notices another pro player about 25 feet away that I don't notice. Now if I go home that night and call Tom and say I saw an NBA player in the store and my friend goes to his house and also calls our mutual friend Tom and says he saw two NBA players in the store, we both would be telling the truth but there would appear to be an inconsistency to Tom.
 
DOC said:
As I have said, I've have seen none that can't be logically explained . For example the one and two angel supposed inconsistancy at the tomb. Suppose me and my friend Bill go into a store and I see a professional basketball player I really admire and my friend sees him also but also notices another pro player about 25 feet away that I don't notice. Now if I go home that night and call Tom and say I saw an NBA player in the store and my friend goes to his house and also calls our mutual friend Tom and says he saw two NBA players in the store, we both would be telling the truth but there would appear to be an inconsistency to Tom.
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And...how many people went to the tomb?
 
DOC said:
As I have said, I've have seen none that can't be logically explained . For example the one and two angel supposed inconsistancy at the tomb. Suppose me and my friend Bill go into a store and I see a professional basketball player I really admire and my friend sees him also but also notices another pro player about 25 feet away that I don't notice. Now if I go home that night and call Tom and say I saw an NBA player in the store and my friend goes to his house and also calls our mutual friend Tom and says he saw two NBA players in the store, we both would be telling the truth but there would appear to be an inconsistency to Tom.
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So? You're NOT telling your friend Tom that your versions of the truth are both the 'divinely inspired, inerrant word of god', are you?

Remember, DOC... you started this damn thread and gave it it's title:
Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.​

You got any?
 
Hokulele said:
How exactly would a person miss seeing a frickin' angel?
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Perhaps one of the angels stepped out to go to the little angels' room.

ETA: Then again, how do you miss an NBA player? They're not small and inconspicuous.
 
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DOC said:
As I have said, I've have seen none that can't be logically explained . For example the one and two angel supposed inconsistancy at the tomb. Suppose me and my friend Bill go into a store and I see a professional basketball player I really admire and my friend sees him also but also notices another pro player about 25 feet away that I don't notice. Now if I go home that night and call Tom and say I saw an NBA player in the store and my friend goes to his house and also calls our mutual friend Tom and says he saw two NBA players in the store, we both would be telling the truth but there would appear to be an inconsistency to Tom.
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And what if we get one version that says you saw two NBA players inside the store, but that's the only time you saw them, and another version that says you saw him outside the store, sitting on the roof? What if one of you says there was an earthquake, but nobody else reports an earthquake?
 
If Joseph Smith lived 2000 years ago and came up with the ridiculous story about some golden tablets and an angel named Moroni, this religion would today be double the size of the whole of Christendom. As it is, more than a million fools believe every word of it.
Yet had this idiot and fraudster said and done all this today, people would lock him up in an institution for the mentally ill.
If Christianity was to start today, it also would not see the light of day save for a few deluded people that seek a meaning to life, perhaps.
 
amb said:
If Joseph Smith lived 2000 years ago and came up with the ridiculous story about some golden tablets and an angel named Moroni, this religion would today be double the size of the whole of Christendom. As it is, more than a million fools believe every word of it.
Yet had this idiot and fraudster said and done all this today, people would lock him up in an institution for the mentally ill.
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Like they did with L.Ron Hubbard?
 
amb said:
If Joseph Smith lived 2000 years ago and came up with the ridiculous story about some golden tablets and an angel named Moroni, this religion would today be double the size of the whole of Christendom. As it is, more than a million fools believe every word of it.
Yet had this idiot and fraudster said and done all this today, people would lock him up in an institution for the mentally ill.
If Christianity was to start today, it also would not see the light of day save for a few deluded people that seek a meaning to life, perhaps.
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I hope you're right mate. If it's not already the case, then I suppose it's the world I'd like to see, and one that I hope I sometimes help to come about.


zooterkin said:
Like they did with L.Ron Hubbard?
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They're dying off, fortunately, and I'd like to think amb is right and that critical thought has come a long way since the 50s and 60s.
 
six7s said:
So? You're NOT telling your friend Tom that your versions of the truth are both the 'divinely inspired, inerrant word of god', are you?

Remember, DOC... you started this damn thread and gave it it's title:
Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.​

You got any?
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Exactly right. Doc, if you claim that the inconsistencies and contradictions (and there are many) can be explained away as differences in the details of eye-witnesses, then you are openly saying that there are things in the bible that by definition are incorrect! This inerrant, inspired word of god has mistakes and by what standard do you decide what's correct and what's not?

I'll repeat myself but phrase it differently.......if one witness sees 2 people and another witness sees 1 (because he didn't see the other one, or miscounted, or forgot...whatever) then one of the witnesses is wrong. Your argument demands that some of the bible is wrong.
 
Using DOC's "law on non-contradiction"(that he so loves to trot out); both accounts can't be right. So at least one of them must be wrong.
 
DOC said:
As I have said, I've have seen none that can't be logically explained . For example the one and two angel supposed inconsistancy at the tomb. Suppose me and my friend Bill go into a store and I see a professional basketball player I really admire and my friend sees him also but also notices another pro player about 25 feet away that I don't notice. Now if I go home that night and call Tom and say I saw an NBA player in the store and my friend goes to his house and also calls our mutual friend Tom and says he saw two NBA players in the store, we both would be telling the truth but there would appear to be an inconsistency to Tom.
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To make your analogy fit better, we would have to have:
1.) Your friend claim the two baseball players were outside the empty store.
2.) You claiming that one baseball player was inside the empty store.
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3.) and we would have to have heard both of your "accounts" by having them written down by other people 30-100 years later.
 
paximperium said:
Using DOC's "law on non-contradiction"(that he so loves to trot out); both accounts can't be right. So at least one of them must be wrong.
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So far in this thread, I've learded that DOC believes
1.) The bible contains errors.
2.) That Jesus doesn't consider slavery to be a terrible thing.
3.) That Jesus was a moral relativist (Slavery was acceptable at the time...)
4.) That women are to obey men.
5.) Other cultures that were slaughtered by christians are "better off" because of christians.


Did I miss anything?

What I want to know is where can I sign up for such a "wonderful and loving" world view.
 
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