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Heiwa article accepted at AsCE

It looks like the delay may have been caused by the original fraudsters:

Don't you think you should learn basic concepts like what a progressive collapse is before you go about accusing qualified, reputable engineers of fraud just because you don't have a clue what they are talking about?
 
Why would TAM report me for calling someone who is not a JREF forum member a "@#$%ing idiot"?

You are calling TAM a bad name and saying that it will take no time to call the police if he continues bothering you....Clearly. Read it again yourself.

'' Actually... "You are a @#$%ing idiot, stop bothering me or I'll call the police." shouldn't take much time. ''
 
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But he is a a no-planer:

As much as it pains me to say so, I'm pretty sure that's a typical Bjorkman-English translation error or simple typo. I think it should read "...and not planes"

Then again, without the constant schooling he got here, he's probably slipping further into delusion.
 
tfk - any discussions with Femr2 about his lateral ejection theories?

Not yet...

BY DEFINITION, that one's gonna be a pretty improbable event, based purely on "outlier statistics". Which most truthers don't accept anyway.

While most of the locations for the external columns can be laid at the feet of "immensely tall sheets peeling away & tilting outward" (perhaps aided, just a touch, by 400 - 600 mph winds. Ya think?), there is also no doubt that some pieces can not be explained by this. Truthers focus on the small percent that get hurled outward, and in a few cases, with a bit of upward initial velocity component.

But what they are automatically doing is focusing on the outliers. The ones that have separated themselves from the pack by virtue of their initial speed. Because those are the only ones that you can pick out to analyze.

The "average velocity" examples are all lost in the debris cloud.

The massive error is treating those outliers as tho they are typical.

This process is the result of pure random chance & statistical variation of a bunch of collisions. Truthers want a deterministic explanation, since they don't really believe in random events. Everything is planned & controlled.

So, they look at you and say "how likely is it that a beam WOULD HAVE BEEN thrown that far?" And I answer "very unlikely".

And they say, "AHA!"

And I say "So?"

And they say "AHA!"

And I say "So?"

And you sit there and stare at each other...

This really is identical to creationist who don't believe in random variation being able to explain evolution. "It HAD to be guided along, because it's so improbable."

Yep, it IS improbable. Yep, any deterministic explanation is going to rely on a highly unlikely sequence of events.

And, yup, take ANY bunch of statistically random events, and examine only the outliers, and you'll convince yourself that we live in a magical world with really weird properties.

Tom
 
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It looks like the delay may have been caused by the original fraudsters:

Seeing as how Heiwa can't perform the simplest of conservation-of-momentum calculations, perhaps they haven't stopped laughing long enough to reply?
 
Why in God's name are they still going on about conservation of momentum of entire blocks? Don't these chowderheads realize that the only energy you need to input is the energy required to break floor connections, and then gravity does the rest? Is that too deep an explanation for them to fathom?

Aren't you forgetting "dustification"? And "vaporizing" of giant steel beams? And heating everything up to "pyroclastic" temperatures? (But then cooling it down before it par-boils all of lower Manhattan.)

Plus, you've gotta consider all the energy it took to run those "smoke generators"...

:rolleyes:

In all seriousness, those guys are trying to learn the real stuff, and are trying to keep the WTC collapse out of it. Heiwa is the only one who keeps throwing in his "1/10th part C crushes 9/10th part A" Rainman Rap.

I've got zero problem with anyone trying to learn the real concepts. A little understanding might help them.

Unfortunately, we've all seen guys claim to do that before, only to return with their ignorance intact, but a spiffy new vocabulary to impress other neophytes.

Tom
 
You all can see for yourself exactly why he gave up attempting to give anwers ...

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/post6769.html#p6769

Heiwa said:
Hm, funny mass C of 1 kg and velocity 10 m/s collides with stationary funny mass A also of 1 kg and applies its energy 50 J to A. After collision (C is glued to A and accelerates A) both A and C has same velocity 7.07 m/s and move as one mass of 2 kg glued together with energy 50 J.

Now - before collision/glueing together) C had momentum 10 kgm/s. After collision A+C (now one mass of 2 kg) have momentum 14.14 kgm/s (and energy 50J).

Imagine that A+C (2 kg at 7.07 m/s) collides with stationary D (1kg) and forms A+C+D (3kg) proceeding at 5.77 m/s (and 50 J energy). But the momentum is 17.31 kgm/s

And so on. When 100 masses A, C, D ... are glued together they proceed at 1 m/s velocity (50 J energy is still there) and the momentum is 100 kgm/s.

What do we learn from above? Evidently that a mass A of 1 kg moving at 10 m/s has same kinetic energy as a mass X of 100 kg moving at 1 m/s, i.e. 50 J, but that A and X have different momentums; A:s is 10 kgm/s and X:s is 100 kgm/s. It is simple physics. And the glue! It slows things down but adds momentum.


"... the glue adds momentum ..."??!!!

[facepalm]

Good grief. I knew he was fairly stupid, but this surpasses everything. He thinks energy is conserved in an inelastic collision, and calls himself an expert. I simply don't have any words to describe how stupid and arrogant that is. If somebody hasn't Stundied this yet, I'm nominating it myself.

Dave

ETA: It's just sunk in that the thread this comes from is one on what claims to be a serious scientific forum, discussing whether and why momentum is conserved in an inelastic collision. Were the participants asleep in high school physics lessons?
 
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Quiet isn't it ? No refutations of Heiwa's new paper... No first impressions or anything. It's like a bunch of rabid dogs ignoring a juicy bone. Why ? Is the bone too dangerous or something ?

http://heiwaco.tripod.com/blgb.htm
 
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His letter contains 23 "!"s. This alone shows him to be scientifically illiterate.

Oh, and his website is still illegal (as has been pointed out to him several times). What does this say about his attitude to "truth"?
 
Quiet isn't it ? No refutations of Heiwa's new paper... No first impressions or anything. It's like a bunch of rabid dogs ignoring a juicy bone. Why ? Is the bone too dangerous or something ?

Bjorkman is a @#$%ing idiot. If they respond to him, they'll have to respond to every moron who claims he has a perpetual motion machine or that the earth is flat.
 
Listen people,can you hear an irritating little tick in the background?

There you are dafydd, my favourite bad groupie. I wish RM would get on with his deconstruction of Heiwa's new work. Bazant could do with a few tips I think.
 

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