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Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

WildCat said:
You and your ilk have been given the details. Then you accuse the eyewitnesses of being in on it, because there's no youtube video to watch. :rolleyes:
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Tony clearly requires the printouts from the transit recorder, or photos taken by the FDNY. Or something. It's a great debating technique - demand evidence that you know doesn't exist. It almost appears rational and you can keep it going forever. It's always somebody else's fault for not having the foresight to anticipate nutcase demands several years later. Then when you do provide evidence (the AA77 FDR, say) it's faked.

The other day Szamboti said
You have no proof that Nigro was not influenced in his decision.
<insert totally justifiable ad hominem here>
 
bill smith said:
So where is the Super-Truther bardamu ? Was he knifed in some dark alley of the jref? Anybody know ?
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He tried my acrobats experiment.
It worked.
He's in hospital with a ruptured 'nad and re-evaluating his view of the WTC collapses.
 
WildCat said:
Tell me Tony, in what world do engineers publish papers exclusively in tin-foil hat conspiracy web sites?
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In what world do rocket scientists only take part in debates that are moderated by a host who is so biased he has to make a disclaimer at the start of the show?
 
bardamu said:
Apart from a sell-out tour of New Zealand.
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"sell out tour?"

Really?

From what we can see of his tour spots, there are usually about 60 folks in attendance... and that is being generous.

but NZ is a small place and I'm sure the coffee houses only hold about 60.

Way to go GAGE!

try again.
 
TruthersLie said:
Umm tony you do realize that when skyscrapers are built straight up, that when they start leaning and are on fire there is usually one thing that will happen right?
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We'd have to know the angle of inclination. Please provide that information, then we can work out whether the building would be expected to fall into its own footprint at near freefall speed.


TruthersLie said:
When a building with the footprint the size of a football field is leaning, with massive visible damage, and unfought fires going on inside it...... what do you think may happen?
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Unless it happened on 9/11, you'd expect it to remain standing, like all the other tall buildings that have never collapsed primarily due to fire, according to NIST.
 
twinstead said:
Yea, I'm sure he's got the New Zealand scientific, engineering, and architectural communities marching in the streets demanding a new investigation.
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I am sure the truthers could get a new investigation.
They just have to gather a few hundred thousand demonstrators in New York or Washington. :rolleyes:
It is called political reality.
 
Toke said:
I am sure the truthers could get a new investigation.
They just have to gather a few hundred thousand demonstrators in New York or Washington. :rolleyes:
It is called political reality.
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I'm sure the socialists could have stopped the Iraq war if they'd really wanted to.
 
bardamu said:
We'd have to know the angle of inclination. Please provide that information, then we can work out whether the building would be expected to fall into its own footprint at near freefall speed.
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Your fail boat has arrived.

falling into own footprint? Not one of the towers or wtc7 collapsed into their own footprint. You might want to look that up. Feel free.

At near freefall speed? Not one of the towers or wtc7 fell at "near freefall speed." You might want to look up that claims.

South tower took 15 seconds to collapse. That is 66% longer than freefall. that isn't "near freefall."

North tower took over 20 seconds to collapse. that is 200% of freefall speed. that isn't "near freefall."

World trade center 7 took about 18 seconds to collapse. That is OVER 200% of freefall.

try again.

Unless it happened on 9/11, you'd expect it to remain standing, like all the other tall buildings that have never collapsed primarily due to fire, according to NIST.
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Swing and a miss. Please compare buildings of similar design which have sustained fire across multiple floors for hours that were UNFOUGHT fires.

simple. It should be easy.

Have you even figured out momentum yet?
 
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DGM said:
I'm still wondering what's stopping you ("truthers") from doing an independent investigation?
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Totally. You can't have the government involved anyway, since they were in on the conspiracy. Truthers should pool their money together (try prying it out of Richard Gage's fist..LOL) and pay for it themselves.

Maybe Charlie Sheen can pitch in. He must have some dough.
 
no.

a lack of balls

or maybe a lack of a ride from mom.

or a lack of any science to support their arguments from ignorance and incredulity.

nah... i think it is the first one.
 
alienentity said:
Totally. You can't have the government involved anyway, since they were in on the conspiracy. Truthers should pool their money together (try prying it out of Richard Gage's fist..LOL) and pay for it themselves.

Maybe Charlie Sheen can pitch in. He must have some dough.
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Ah, but having the government involved is their "out". If they don't like the verdict it all starts over again. Can you think of a better way to milk a dead cow forever?
 
Don't forget, NYCCAN asked the government for "permission" to have an independent investigation. That's some serious illogic there. "Can we please have your permission to investigate how YOU MURDERED THOUSANDS AND COVERED IT UP!!1!!1!"
 
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