Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

I am sure Chief Daniel Nigro did not decide on his own that WTC 7 was going to collapse and whoever told him it was going to collapse needs to explain how they knew that.

Tony,

How hard is it for you to pick up the phone & call Nigro?

How hard is it for you to e-mail Nigro?

Are you that lazy not to do anything for yourself? Actually you are lazy, your size tells me that you don't do much!

 

[Edx]

I am sure Chief Daniel Nigro did not decide on his own that WTC 7 was going to collapse and whoever told him it was going to collapse needs to explain how they knew that.

Unless he, like many of the firefighters, knew that WTC7 was going to collapse.

It was bulging, leaning, creaking and things were crackling and falling. It had large uncontrollable fires and had a massive gash in the side.

The firefighters thought the building was going to collapse, no one "told them" it was, they could "see" that it was based on their years of experience of dealing with fire and unstable buildings.

Deal with it Tony.

 

[Edx]

IIRC, those were guys from another company. I will find out, and get back to you. It may take a few days, as I am working overtime this week.

Theres no rush, it would just be nice to try and contact them in some way and maybe get them to state on camera or find their original documented interviews or something saying that show they dont agree with the truth movement's claims so truthers can at least say they are lying rather than what they currently say, which is claim they are on their side.

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Wrong.

Go back and try again. I was still working on the opposite side of the WTC, across West street, south of Veasey St.

Try again.

How many blocks was the collapse zone radius from WTC 7? Didn't it include the tower wreckage areas?

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

How many blocks was the collapse zone radius from WTC 7? Didn't it include the tower wreckage areas?

Tony,

The collapse zone was just around the block where WTC7 collapsed. You can't move a 47 building without someone seeing it.

Little info for ya Tony, notice how ******* close WTC2 is to 7?:

 

[R.Mackey]

Once more, you think you know more about the fires and damage to WTC, and its appearance, than the experienced firefighters who were there.

You are delusional.

Quoted for emphasis.

Go work on your "paper" that will put me to shame, Tony. Not like there's anything else going on in the Truth Movement.

 

[BigAl]

I realize how brutal it had to be for NYC firefighters on Sept. 11, 2001, with the devastating loss of life. However, there are legitimate questions concerning the events of Sept. 11, 2001 and they aren't simply Monday morning quarterbacking types of questions.

Watching a building lean isn't rocket science.

I am sure Chief Daniel Nigro did not decide on his own that WTC 7 was going to collapse and whoever told him it was going to collapse needs to explain how they knew that.

Status reports from Chief Hayden and engineers with at at least one transit advising Hayden?

Stephen Gregory says that multiple FDNY "collapse units" were on on the scene. FDNY deals with unstable buildings on a regular basis and maybe Tri can describe in detail what these people do. I expect the brought the transit and know how to use it.

Reports from the unit commanders for the 100+ firemen named in this index?

Mark Roberts indexed all the statements of the firemen. Maybe you've never seen this before. All the names are in the spreadsheet, below and the full transcripts are at the URL, below. The transcripts give lits of context and additional information. They make good reading. Many of the 36 people that said "pull" were tallking about collapse. I think you can start there.

• 41 firemen mention severity of fire in WTC7
• 29 firemen mention damage to WTC7
• 104 firemen mention pullback from WTC7
• 36 firemen mention "Pull" to mean withdraw from the building

Summary spreadsheet names & statements:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/WTC7_Eyewitnesses.xls
Full text transcripts for those names: http://preview.tinyurl.com/36rak3​

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Status reports from Chief Hayden and engineers with at at least one transit advising Hayden?

Stephen Gregory says that multiple FDNY "collapse units" were on on the scene. FDNY deals with unstable buildings on a regular basis and maybe Tri can describe in detail what these people do. I expect the brought the transit and know how to use it.

Reports from the unit commanders for the 100+ firemen named in this index?

Mark Roberts indexed all the statements of the firemen. Maybe you've never seen this before. All the names are in the spreadsheet, below and the full transcripts are at the URL, below. The transcripts give lits of context and additional information. They make good reading. Many of the 36 people that said "pull" were tallking about collapse. I think you can start there.

• 41 firemen mention severity of fire in WTC7
• 29 firemen mention damage to WTC7
• 104 firemen mention pullback from WTC7
• 36 firemen mention "Pull" to mean withdraw from the building

Summary spreadsheet names & statements:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/WTC7_Eyewitnesses.xls
Full text transcripts for those names: http://preview.tinyurl.com/36rak3​

Why did you edit my post and quote it as though it was what I said, without mentioning that you edited it? Did you goof up when typing in your reply?

 

[BigAl]

Why did you edit my post and quote it as though it was what I said, without mentioning that you edited it? Did you goof up when typing in your reply?

Sorry. I wondered where those words went to.

Care to comment on what I said?

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Sorry. I wondered where those words went to.

Care to comment on what I said?

It is hard to understand why anyone would think that a leaning or bulging wall, on a building with a footprint the size of a football field and an inner core, means that the entire structure will collapse.

Do you know of any photos of this purported lean or bulge?

 

[WildCat]

I find it amusing that anyone thinks that if some wall on a building, with a footprint the size of a footblall field, is bulging or leaning that the entire structure will collapse.

Do you know of any photos of this purported lean or bulge?

Where are your photos of the bombs? Thermite? Nano-stupid-thermite? Molten steel?

 

[BigAl]

I find it amusing that anyone thinks that if some wall on a building, with a footprint the size of a footblall field, is bulging or leaning that the entire structure will collapse.

Would you bet your life on it? Would you bet the lives of your crew on it?

Do you know of any photos of this purported lean or bulge?

No. I trust the statement of a Fire Chief with a transit and the advice of people with relevant expertise about fire in post-1938 steel structures.

Inches or feet of displacement in a 47 story building isn't going to show up on a jpg on the Web.

 

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

It is hard to understand why anyone would think that a leaning or bulging wall, on a building with a footprint the size of a football field and an inner core, means that the entire structure will collapse.

Do you know of any photos of this purported lean or bulge?

Are you a FDNY firefighter Tony?

Were you there with the FDNY when they looked at the bulge?

You're supposed to be this mechanical engineer that's supposed to know how buildings collapse due to fires through forensic & scientific studies.

 

[Justin39640]

It is hard to understand why anyone would think that a leaning or bulging wall, on a building with a footprint the size of a football field and an inner core, means that the entire structure will collapse.

Do you know of any photos of this purported lean or bulge?

You would go into a 47 story structure that was leaning and had a large bulge in the base that was obviously not in the original design?

And you call yourself an engineer....

Oh and btw collapse zones are firefighting 101.

 

[triforcharity]

It is hard to understand why anyone would think that a leaning or bulging wall, on a building with a footprint the size of a football field and an inner core, means that the entire structure will collapse.

Do you know of any photos of this purported lean or bulge?

Tony,

Please tell me that you have been drinking. Please, for the sake of the Flying Spagetti Monster.

Do you know of any building that could survive having a multi-floor bulge in one side?? How about one that is on fire?? And been hit by another skyscraper?? Not to mention the lack of water being put on the fire.

 

[triforcharity]

Status reports from Chief Hayden and engineers with at at least one transit advising Hayden?

Stephen Gregory says that multiple FDNY "collapse units" were on on the scene. FDNY deals with unstable buildings on a regular basis and maybe Tri can describe in detail what these people do. I expect the brought the transit and know how to use it.
Reports from the unit commanders for the 100+ firemen named in this index?

Mark Roberts indexed all the statements of the firemen. Maybe you've never seen this before. All the names are in the spreadsheet, below and the full transcripts are at the URL, below. The transcripts give lits of context and additional information. They make good reading. Many of the 36 people that said "pull" were tallking about collapse. I think you can start there.

• 41 firemen mention severity of fire in WTC7
• 29 firemen mention damage to WTC7
• 104 firemen mention pullback from WTC7
• 36 firemen mention "Pull" to mean withdraw from the building

Summary spreadsheet names & statements:

http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com/WTC7_Eyewitnesses.xls
Full text transcripts for those names: http://preview.tinyurl.com/36rak3​

Yes, BigAl, I can tell you what they do.

If we (FDNY) suspect that a building may be in danger, we caall the collapse unit in.

Once the collapse unit arrives, they set the collapse zone up around the building. Some of the guys who command that unit are engineers, some are experts in survey equipment. (Transits and the like)

Now, for the most part, they sit over there, and do calculations, look at the building, look at the blueprints of said building, then make an educated guess on if it will fall, or when it will fall.

Now, once they have done that, they decide what to do about the building. Sometimes we bring in heavy equipment, sometimes we would use cribbing and shore the building till someone more qualified can decide what to do. These guys are usually engineers or architects from local firms, or from the department itself.

The other job of the collapse unit is post-collapse. Deciding what to move, how to move it, where to place air bags, rams, spreaders, and the like. They also dictate where we need to shore up something, and how to do it.

Hope that helps.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

It is hard to understand [...]

What are your thoughts on quantum physics? Difficult to understand and, therefore, untrue, or... perhaps... something best left to those who do understand?

 

[TruthersLie]

What you are failing to realize is that creating a collapse zone around WTC 7 caused the search and rescue efforts, for anyone still alive in the twin tower wreckage, to be suspended for quite a few hours.

What you fail to realize is that they saw the damage to wtc7 and knew it was going to collapse, so they HAD to pull back because they didn't want MORE DEAD FIREFIGHTERS.

Dur

I think this would have been against chief Daniel Nigro's instinct and he would have only done it if he was told WTC 7 was coming down in order to not have additional casualties. I seriously doubt that he decided all by himself that WTC 7 was going to collapse.

Then prove it. The damage was easily visible, they sent in people to inspect the building and they decided it wasn't safe.

How many more firefighters should have died on 9/11 for you to be happy tony? Huh? A hundred more buried under a building that was empty?

What exactly are you trying to say tony. Come on spit it out. Man up.

 

[TruthersLie]

I realize how brutal it had to be for NYC firefighters on Sept. 11, 2001, with the devastating loss of life. However, there are legitimate questions concerning the events of Sept. 11, 2001 and they aren't simply Monday morning quarterbacking types of questions.

I am sure Chief Daniel Nigro did not decide on his own that WTC 7 was going to collapse and whoever told him it was going to collapse needs to explain how they knew that.

Obviously you don't. Handwave noted.

Obviously you think you could do a better job in a completely FUBAR situation. How many more dead firefighters would have made you happy tony?

should they have run up to a seriously damange building to hook hoses up to it to try to fight fires when the building could come down with very little notice (like wtc1 and 2 did on top of the marshalling firefighters)?

Huh tony?

It is nice to know that you are "rambo" and can do a much better job. So again tony.

How many more dead firefighters would have made you happy tony?

 

[TruthersLie]

It is hard to understand why anyone would think that a leaning or bulging wall, on a building with a footprint the size of a football field and an inner core, means that the entire structure will collapse.

Do you know of any photos of this purported lean or bulge?

Umm tony you do realize that when skyscrapers are built straight up, that when they start leaning and are on fire there is usually one thing that will happen right?

When a building with the footprint the size of a football field is leaning, with massive visible damage, and unfought fires going on inside it...... what do you think may happen?

again, how many more dead fire fighters would make you happy tony? 50? 100? 10?