Danny Jowenko - Manipulated by 9/11 Deniers

bardamu said:
Some of them must have been in on it, or at the very least they kept quiet after the fact.




Please don't shoot the messenger.
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bardamu said:
They should have eliminated the impossible, which includes a fire-induced progressive collapse.
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Are you sure I'm the one you should be making this case to? I suggest you contact the writers of the International Building Code and inform them with justification that their requirements on fire protection have no merit. I'm sure if your being truthful they'll seriously consider the implications of what you're saying, well providing anyway that your statement isn't of course a bald assertion or one of ignorance.
 
bardamu said:
Some of them must have been in on it, or at the very least they kept quiet after the fact.

Please don't shoot the messenger.
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No one is shooting anyone here. Though you may want to avoid Farrell's Bar in New York City:

Firefighters and their unions don't hesitate to demand that safety issues be addressed. At Farrell's bar in Brooklyn, which is a firefighter and cop hangout, I asked one of New York's Bravest how he would respond to someone who said the 9/11 first responders were keeping quiet about what killed their brothers. He laughed, shook his head, and said, "There better not be a Halligan around. I'd put it through his <CENSORED> skull." At the center of Farrell's back bar stands a cross made from WTC steel and a portrait of longtime Farrell's bartender Vinny Brunton, a FDNY Captain with Ladder 105, who died on 9/11.

Firefighters don't appreciate people spewing that kind of hateful ignorant garbage about them and the honored dead. I'm surprised (and impressed) that Triforcharity held back as much as he did.
 
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bardamu said:
Some of them must have been in on it, or at the very least they kept quiet after the fact.
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Of course. They MUST have. It's the only explanation. God forbid you actually take a step back and consider that you just might be full of crap.


Please don't shoot the messenger.
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The messenger? THE MESSENGER? Dude. You're a member of a small, insignificant cult. You're too irrelevant to be a messenger. You're just the internet version of the bearded old man on the street corner telling us the world's going to end, and we're all going to hell. Don't flatter yourself please.
 
bardamu said:
Some of them must have been in on it, or at the very least they kept quiet after the fact.
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I would love to see you go to a NYFD station and make that statement.

That you would make this allegation with no evidence shows you to yet another truther with no integrity.
 
bardamu said:
Some of them must have been in on it, or at the very least they kept quiet after the fact.
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I'll give you this much bardamu, as despicable as your allegations are, at least you've got the courage of your convictions (if lacking the courage to act on them), and at least enough cognitive capacity to go where a controlled demolition scenario would logically have to take you.

But clearly, if 9/11 was a conspiracy involving the FDNY, it also must have involved every other agency and organization connected to the events of that day before, during, and after the attacks. This would include, but not be limited to: NIST, FEMA, the FBI, the FDNY, the NYPD, the Port Authority, Interpol, the worldwide mainstream media, the worldwide scientific community, and the worldwide law enforcement community.

And let's not forget the general worldwide population, who despite the supposedly overwhelming evidence favoring an inside job, haven't even lifted a finger to so much as protest such gross and insidious abuses of power.

So I ask you this: If everyone not involved in such a thinly-veiled conspiracy is too amoral or apathetic to do anything about it anyway, what was the point of the conspiracy to begin with?

For whose benefit was this elaborate charade?
 
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johnny karate said:
I'll give you this much bardamu, as despicable as your allegations are, at least you've got the courage of your convictions (if lacking the courage to act on them), and at least enough cognitive capacity to go where a controlled demolition scenario would logically have to take you.
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I have to agree with this. At least bardamu has realized the implications of his accusations and just lets it all out, if only superficially. I suspect now he will find out why so few truthers actually come out and say what they really feel; eventually it becomes obvious that everybody is in on it. That kind of realization must be scary for them.
 
bardamu said:
Some of them must have been in on it, or at the very least they kept quiet after the fact.
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Oh, right, but yet we will rush into a burning building for complete strangers, but, god forbid we stand up FOR OUR OWN ******* FAMILY!!

You obviously do not know how close of a bond we have for other firefighters. I would die for any one of the people I work with, and wouldn't hesitate one second. Not even one. Its clear that you have never felt this type of love before. Its actually somewhat sad really.

Any evidence?? I would love to see it.


bardamu said:
Please don't shoot the messenger.
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I cannot respond to this, as if I did, I would SURELY be banned from here in an instant.

bardamu said:
They should have eliminated the impossible, which includes a fire-induced progressive collapse.
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Why? Why is it impossible for fire to weaken steel??
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
No one is shooting anyone here. Though you may want to avoid Farrell's Bar in New York City:

Firefighters and their unions don't hesitate to demand that safety issues be addressed. At Farrell's bar in Brooklyn, which is a firefighter and cop hangout, I asked one of New York's Bravest how he would respond to someone who said the 9/11 first responders were keeping quiet about what killed their brothers. He laughed, shook his head, and said, "There better not be a Halligan around. I'd put it through his <CENSORED> skull." At the center of Farrell's back bar stands a cross made from WTC steel and a portrait of longtime Farrell's bartender Vinny Brunton, a FDNY Captain with Ladder 105, who died on 9/11.

Firefighters don't appreciate people spewing that kind of hateful ignorant garbage about them and the honored dead. I'm surprised (and impressed) that Triforcharity held back as much as he did.
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I'd pay for his trip, if he agreed to let me post the aftermath on youtube.

Believe me, it is taking alot not to respond the way that I would like to. As I said above, I would be banned instantly from this forum.

Bard,

I would HIGHLY reccomend you do NOT do this. I guarantee you, that it would not end well for you.

PS, if you do decide to go to FDNY and try this, PLEASE let me tag along. I promise, you'll be (in)famous afterward.
 
bardamu said:
They should have eliminated the impossible, which includes a fire-induced progressive collapse.
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They did eliminate the impossible.

Unless you can provide explosives capable of cutting steel beams the size of those in wtc1,2 and 7 that is silent.

Do you have some twoof? I'd love to find some.

They eliminated the idea of thermite because it can't cut through steel beams horizontally, obliquely or simultaneously.

They didn't even think of super duper nanothermite because it didn't exist in enough quantities to do anything to the towers

they didn't think of death beams from outer space because they are not morons.

they also didn't test for giant lizard **** (so that means godzilla did it), or giant moth **** (mothra did do it I tell ya), pixie dust (tinkerbell did it).

The properties of steel and fire have been known for centuries...

Failed science again eh? Must be like High school for you ALL OVER AGAIN.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
Are you implying that the NIST should have also looked into space beams and missiles? Why not earth quakes? THe WTC collapses registered on the Richter scale after all. Maybe the NIST should have investigated those too. Naw, could never be due to something a little more obvious than having a series of engineering disasters from an intentional terrorist attack right?...
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Well red? What are your thoughts? I'm a curious guy...
 
Grizzly Bear said:
What? You mean like more disingenuous than first time occurrences being impossible?
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Just ask your question in a reasonable way and I'll try and answer. For one, I never said first time occurances were impossible.
 
Bump for red ibis. Come on... answer the questions. Don't run away again.
TruthersLie said:
PLEASE, I am BEGGING you provide me with another "explosive" which can cut steel beams that is silent.

I'll wait for it. ANY explosive capable of cutting those beams. I'd love to know what it is.

Really. That is what you have? That is it?

super duper stealth explosives? Really?

It would help if you PROPOSED ANYTHING besides for just JAQing off. PROPOSE something.
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Please provide an example of any explosive capable of cutting steel silently.
 
TruthersLie said:
Bump for red ibis. Come on... answer the questions. Don't run away again.


Please provide an example of any explosive capable of cutting steel silently.
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I think the word you overlooked in my post was 'reasonable'.
 
Yes, providing a sample of an explosive cutting steel that is also silent IS unreasonable.

That might be the first thing I have ever seen you get right!!
WOO HOO!!! Now, just if we could get you to correct the other 498 things you get wrong daily.
 
Red believes the U.S. government is complicit in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.
Red believes the U.S. government is complicit in the murder of 3000 people on 9/11.
Red believes the U.S. government is complicit in the worst crime in U.S. history.

He will only accept "reasonable" questions, clearly a patriot committed to seeking justice.
Please, don't ask Red any questions which might make him squirm or question his delusional mentality.
 
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