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Danny Jowenko - Manipulated by 9/11 Deniers

Truthers display an amazing double standard and inability to view their arguments from another perspective.

Case in point: Bard's response to the fact that American demolitions experts and their teams were actually onscene, and have the skills and experience to recognize evidence. Instead of conceding the importance of their testimony, he resorted to a vague dismissal/smear
'Professionals can be genuinely wrong, and professionals can be dishonest. '

Of course, he wouldn't be able to see that his statement applies to Jowenko as well as Blanchard. Nor can he allow that Blanchard was actually there at GZ, and that makes his observations far less superficial than Jowenko's.

He's not the worst. I've seen truthers deny that Blanchard knows anything about CD's, since he has never demolished a building himself, only monitored demolitions. One person suggested he was just a photographer, not a CD expert.
Another claimed that Mark Loizeaux is working secretly for the conspiracy, and might have actually wired the buildings!!

Anything but accept these experts might indeed by correct (they most certainly are, IMHO), and that truther's assumptions might be wrong (they most certainly are).

This stuff is pretty low-grade denial, it's not even sophisticated enough to address the actual points made by Blanchard and Loizeaux. Now I guarantee you, as sure as butter comes from a cow, that if Blanchard was testifying that explosives WERE used in the towers, truthers would be crowing from the rooftops about him, as they do with Jowenko.

It's almost funny, except it's so sad. This willful blindness extends everywhere in trutherdom, right down to Tony Szamboti's ill-fated choice to ignore and deny the tower tilts.

Yeah, we should confront Jowenko with the absence of seismic, audio and visual corroboration of CD and see what excuses he can make for it. He really ought to go head-to-head with another demo expert on hardfire or something.
That would be worthwhile.
 
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Getting Jowenko to talk to someone who knows what they are talking about would be nice.

If we could get him to admit that actually WTC7 only looks a little bit like a CD if you see only a few select videos with the sound off not knowing anything about it, it would be pretty funny.
 
Truthers display an amazing double standard and inability to view their arguments from another perspective.
Snipped the rest for brevity... but yeah. And truthfully material on all of these topics is pretty easily accessible without ever having to touch a "government document" if their paranoia runs that deep. I for one am glad I kept every textbook I've bought since starting college in '05. It's some of that very study that demonstrated how insane the premise of some these theories are based on, and they give an excellent context to what's being claimed by the authoritative CT nuts.
 
Do we get to crash huge fully-laden passenger jets into them first?

Even your fairy tale doesn't depict a passenger jet flying into WTC7, or fully-laden ones flying into the towers.


NIST may perhaps have been aware of the absence of enormous hydraulic jacks in the WTC towers. Since no other explosive-free method of building implosion is known, and buildings are known to collapse as a result of fire, it's clear to the sane that NIST considered the only realistic possibilities.

NIST ruled out the possibility of controlled demolition on the basis that there was no evidence of loud explosions, flashes or broken windows. No mention of hydraulic jacks in the NIST report, as far as I'm aware.


Did any local JREF Truther actually contact Mr. Jowenko yet? :confused:
[That's what I would do in case of any doubts concerning WTC7]

Ron Wieck spent an hour with him on the phone, then gave up after realizing he was dealing with a man of integrity.


You can speculate until hell freezes over about what CD methods might have been used, but you have no proof to back that up, and no proof against the conventional understanding.
Really, you're just repeating the usual tired talking points, with some new and unsuccessful spin on verinage.

I give you a fail. Not convincing in the slightest.

Have you ever thought about where you're going with all these vague allegations and speculation? Do you expect something to come out of it, and if so, what? Without some real conclusive evidence, there will be no criminal charges against anybody. Just imagine what a grand jury would think if they heard this kind of fluff, and try to imagine what kind of case you'd be trying to bring.

You've really got nothing substantial, my friend. Someday perhaps you'll come to your senses. Someday soon I hope.

Show me evidence that the interior columns of WTC7 failed progressively over a period of 7 seconds. The evidence I've seen shows that one column failed, then all the rest failed around 7 seconds later. NIST and some people here must have x-ray eyes.


Yeah, we should confront Jowenko with the absence of seismic, audio and visual corroboration of CD and see what excuses he can make for it. He really ought to go head-to-head with another demo expert on hardfire or something.
That would be worthwhile.

He doesn't have an axe to grind. He just gave his honest and expert opinion and he'd probably prefer to be left in peace now.
 
Even your fairy tale doesn't depict a passenger jet flying into WTC7, or fully-laden ones flying into the towers.

Are you nuts? Those planes were FULL of fuel for a trans continental flight. Also, a HUGE chunk of the WTC smashed into WTC7. Neither of which were included in your idiotic hyperbole I was addressing. Even if the planes were HALF full of fuel, which they were not, does that mean you get to ignore them because they are inconvenient?

The only thing worse than being wrong is being arrogantly wrong. Congratulations.
 
NIST and some people here must have x-ray eyes..

In the absence of evidence of an alternative cause its a reasonable conclusion given the building's performance. If you feel otherwise, tough love.
 
In the absence of evidence of an alternative cause its a reasonable conclusion given the building's performance. If you feel otherwise, tough love.

NIST admitted that it didn't look for an alternative cause because it would have been a waste of time since evidence of it wasn't there to begin with.

Do you catch that carousel of logic?
 
NIST admitted that it didn't look for an alternative cause because it would have been a waste of time since evidence of it wasn't there to begin with.

Do you catch that carousel of logic?

Can you explain why NIST is fully involved in fire protection Red?
 
NIST admitted that it didn't look for an alternative cause because it would have been a waste of time since evidence of it wasn't there to begin with.

Do you catch that carousel of logic?
What an idiotic statement. Do they usually look for evidence of a hand grenade while they investigate a shooting incident? BTW, they did look at the alternative. Guess what, no evidence.
 
NIST admitted that it didn't look for an alternative cause because it would have been a waste of time since evidence of it wasn't there to begin with.

Do you catch that carousel of logic?

Can you please tell me any type of "alternative" evidence which would have been overlooked in the piles?

Huge hydraulic jacks, with hydraulic pumps?

huge amounts of det cord and explosive residue?

any of that would have been found by the people handling the debris.

Nist said it wouldn't look for EXPLOSIVES because any explosive large enough to cut core columns would have had a 140DB explosions which would have been caught on any video camera within a mile. And guess what... there were NO explosions caught on ANY tape that match that description.

so was it silent explosives?
 
Can you please tell me any type of "alternative" evidence which would have been overlooked in the piles?

Huge hydraulic jacks, with hydraulic pumps?

huge amounts of det cord and explosive residue?

any of that would have been found by the people handling the debris.

Nist said it wouldn't look for EXPLOSIVES because any explosive large enough to cut core columns would have had a 140DB explosions which would have been caught on any video camera within a mile. And guess what... there were NO explosions caught on ANY tape that match that description.

so was it silent explosives?

You mean "any explosive" like RDX? Who proposed that as an alternative other than NIST?
 
You mean "any explosive" like RDX? Who proposed that as an alternative other than NIST?

PLEASE, I am BEGGING you provide me with another "explosive" which can cut steel beams that is silent.

I'll wait for it. ANY explosive capable of cutting those beams. I'd love to know what it is.

Really. That is what you have? That is it?

super duper stealth explosives? Really?

It would help if you PROPOSED ANYTHING besides for just JAQing off. PROPOSE something.
 
NIST admitted that it didn't look for an alternative cause because it would have been a waste of time since evidence of it wasn't there to begin with.

Do you catch that carousel of logic?
Are you implying that the NIST should have also looked into space beams and missiles? Why not earth quakes? THe WTC collapses registered on the Richter scale after all. Maybe the NIST should have investigated those too. Naw, could never be due to something a little more obvious than having a series of engineering disasters from an intentional terrorist attack right?...
 
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Wait a second -- the NYFD is complicit in the murder of their own?

Is this your claim?

Some of them must have been in on it, or at the very least they kept quiet after the fact.


Thats a scumbag claim.

Please don't shoot the messenger.


Are you implying that the NIST should have also looked into space beams and missiles? Why not earth quakes? THe WTC collapses registered on the Richter scale after all. Maybe the NIST should have investigated those too. Naw, could never be due to something a little more obvious than having a series of engineering disasters from an intentional terrorist attack right?...

They should have eliminated the impossible, which includes a fire-induced progressive collapse.
 

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