"Windows 7 'took ideas' from Apple"

[paiute]

And no, I'm not "pro PC" as much as I am "anti MAC".

Whenever someone writes MAC (Media Access Control) instead of Mac (short for Macintosh), it makes me think they don't know what they are talking about.

 

[Whiplash]

That's funny because when I see something like that, I assume elitism and pedantry. You knew what I meant. Somehow stating Mac as "MAC" means I have no idea what I'm talking about regarding Mac vs PC stuff? Really?

Sadly, we are not all as enlightened as you are on the current complete list of acronyms, their usage, and so forth. If you felt a need to boost yourself up, at my expense, I'm glad I could be of service. Seriously, it's my lot in life.

Keep that chin up!

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Ehhhh.... I have nothing against Apple except for their commercials. I've washed an IPOD, dried it, and still had it in working condition after realizing the big clanking sound emenating from the dryer was my player that I thought I lost.

My fiance washed her 2nd Gen iPod shuffle, and was going to throw it away until I convinced her to let me hook it up to my computer. The thing kicked right up, basically it lost its power charge.

 

[ThatSoundAgain]

But will it blend?

 

[fullflavormenthol]

But will it blend?

Yes. If they can blend an iPhone they can blend an iPod, and even blend Windows 7.

I can't wait until they blend reality itself.

 

[GreNME]

“Hi, I’m Apple, I’m a PC, and Windows 7 was my idea.”

"My name is Raven, and I'm an elitist *******."

 

[Davidlpf]

Companies have been taking ideas from one another for years. So for the Mac people, get over it.
When the first pc's came out. Some company hired engineers to take it apart and figure out how it worked. After that the pc clone came about.

 

[Wowbagger]

Windows 7 took ideas from me!

I told them I wanted more view options for the calculator, they put more view options into the calculator.

I told them to make it faster, and they made it faster.

I told them I wanted ugly, gnarly, hideously funky cartoons for wallpaper options, and they provided lots of ugly, gnarly, hideously funky cartoons for wallpaper options.

I should sue them for stealing my ideas!

 

[Ducky]

"My name is Raven, and I'm an elitist *******."

 

[Damien Evans]

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LOL


If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a PC!

 

[ThatSoundAgain]

Yes. If they can blend an iPhone they can blend an iPod, and even blend Windows 7.

I can't wait until they blend reality itself.

Or a blender.

Seriously though, both washing machine stories are pretty surprising and impressive. I didn't think that was possible with any electronics dhort of something like a military grade ToughBook, and given how fidgety iPods sound from e.g. Apple's support forums, I'd never have guessed.

I guess you just never hear the success stories.

 

[gumboot]

"Windows 7 'took ideas' from Apple"



(And please lets not get into any mac v pc, Apple v Microsoft fanboy crap.)

I've been using Windows 7 as my main PC's OS since it was released and my secondary PC is a Mac running OS/X and I have to say I really can't see what MS is meant to have borrowed from the Mac with the release of Windows 7. And certainly to me the two OSs have a very distinct "look and feel in terms of graphics".

The nearest I can think of anything that approaches a "borrow" from OS/X would be the changes to Windows' Taskbar and Apple's Dock, but they look and feel very different to me.

Anyone spotted any obvious "borrows"?

The only thing I can think of is that Microsoft have gone with the "bubble" look. Not just with Windows 7, but with the latest Office also. By the bubble look I mean the big rounded windows and buttons, the light pastel colours, and everything being quite big in the screen.

I associate that with the sort of modern "cool" design style that Apple is so cutting edge with.

Personally I hate it, but that's just me.

 

[GreNME]

You win.

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Gumboot, the newest Windows interface far more resembles advancements being made in Linux-Land than they do copies of Apple interface design. Namely, the Aero Glass and now the Taskbar look far more similar to desktop managers like Beryl than they do Apple's Aqua interface.

 

[fullflavormenthol]

Or a blender.

Seriously though, both washing machine stories are pretty surprising and impressive. I didn't think that was possible with any electronics dhort of something like a military grade ToughBook, and given how fidgety iPods sound from e.g. Apple's support forums, I'd never have guessed.

I guess you just never hear the success stories.

I think it might really be that they are effectively flash drives with a battery built in. I mean I would not recommend anyone wash one, but sometimes simple electronics can pull through.

When I was a teenager I accidentally knocked a glass of water down the back of a television. I freaked, turned it off and hid for a couple of hours. Once it dried out it worked for several years. Every so often you get lucky.

 

[ThatSoundAgain]

Yeah, it's the wet + powered combination and the resulting nasty shorts that are dangerous. This much I know, that's why I've been practicing emergency unplugging (mostly successfully) in case of spills. I even had a computer salesman recommend this procedure for a beverage-soiled computer keyboard: Unplug quickly, then take it with you in the shower. Leave it to dry for a day or so before plugging back in.

My immediate guess would be that the battery and power management circuits in these small ipods would be at risk. I guess it could be explained by the combination of a really low-power battery and a large (and quickly applied) volume of water, so that the battery can discharge quickly and harmlessly.

Still, good story.

 

[gumboot]

Just about any electronics can comfortably survive a wash as long as it's not on at the time, and isn't turned on again until it's dry. That's kinda obvious though.

I've experienced dozens of MP3 players, cellphones, flash drives, cameras, and so forth take a dunking, get dried out, and continue to work without any issues.

The mistake most people tend to mistake when they drop their phone in the sink or whatever is they immediately turn it on to "make sure it's okay". Pull that sucker apart, remove the battery, and leave it in the hot water cupboard for a couple of days, then see if it's okay.

 

[Wowbagger]

Tonight, I discovered two rather stupid things about Windows 7, both impacting my parent's recent upgrade:

1. The scanner-enabled software bundled with Windows 7 only works with WIA scanners, not TWAIN scanners.

2. The Product Key they package with Upgrade editions won't work if you do a clean install with them. They make you obtain a separate key.

So far, though, I think those are the only two stupid things I've seen from it, so far.

The only other thing that annoys me is a minor one: The text in the titlebar changes color depending on if a window is maximized or not. Why is that?!!!!!

 

[GreNME]

Tonight, I discovered two rather stupid things about Windows 7, both impacting my parent's recent upgrade:

1. The scanner-enabled software bundled with Windows 7 only works with WIA scanners, not TWAIN scanners.

You sure it's not a driver thing?

2. The Product Key they package with Upgrade editions won't work if you do a clean install with them. They make you obtain a separate key.

Not true. Install the OS without putting the key in first, then in the un-activated and booted-up desktop place the upgrade disk in and load it from within the OS. Your upgrade key will work (I've tested this).

The only other thing that annoys me is a minor one: The text in the titlebar changes color depending on if a window is maximized or not. Why is that?!!!!!

Something weird on your end. Again I just tested this and saw no such difference. I can provide screenshots if you'd like verification.

 

[Wowbagger]

You sure it's not a driver thing?

That is exactly what it is. If you don't have WIA drivers for the scanner, and only TWAIN drivers, then scanning is disabled in Windows-included applications.

You can still scan stuff using third party programs.

Not true. Install the OS without putting the key in first, then in the un-activated and booted-up desktop place the upgrade disk in and load it from within the OS. Your upgrade key will work (I've tested this).

I shall try that. But, it's still pretty silly to have to go through that.

Something weird on your end. Again I just tested this and saw no such difference. I can provide screenshots if you'd like verification.

It's not my end. It is apparent on all Win 7 and Vista machines I have ever seen. The titlebar text is usually white when maximized, and black when not. Though, sometimes that switches around depending on the color scheme.

 

[John Mayer]

Innovation and Imitation

Both of them lifted the ideas of a user interface (GUI), mouse input, among other things from Xerox PARC. That dog won't hunt...

Except that Apple took the embryonic concepts of Xerox and ran with them, with Xerox’s blessings. As I recall, a couple of Xerox’s development team signed on with Apple to improve upon the Xerox design which, I believe (going from memory) Xerox had lost interest in.

The reason Apple didn’t prevail in the lawsuit is because they had already allowed Microsoft to license most of the concepts that made the Macintosh unique, and way too cheaply. Like I said, a bad business decision on Apple’s part. Xerox entered the suit as a strategic move.

Bill Gates has built the Microsoft empire on imitation, undercutting and out-marketing. Innovation is not part of their game plan. Netscape, Wordperfect, RealAudio and many others were the innovators. Microsoft first outmaneuvered Apple, which had led the way in making computing easy for the average person (the original sin that made Apple hated by geeks all across the land), imitating the Macintosh interface but promoting it much more successfully, then used the popularity of their OS to crush software innovators. Shrewd, but not admirable. I hope Chrome is another nail in Microsoft’s coffin.