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"Windows 7 'took ideas' from Apple"

Whiplash said:
And no, I'm not "pro PC" as much as I am "anti MAC". And not without good reason. They have spent a decade or more being arrogant, insulting jerks. So I don't like them, and am untrusting of things they say and claim.
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You do know there are people who use macs who aren't wearing black turtlenecks and drinking the mac-kool-aid to turn themselves into pretentious pricks, right?
 
Ducky said:
You do know there are people who use macs who aren't wearing black turtlenecks and drinking the mac-kool-aid to turn themselves into pretentious pricks, right?
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There are definitely less of them these days since Apple has gone more modern and mainstream. Nonetheless, I'd have to agree with Whiplash to a degree about the arrogance of many of them in the past. As a programmer just delving into Macs a few years back (through an application SDK but where I needed to access some of the OS functionality) asking seemingly simple questions nicely, I was berated, ridiculed, asked why I hadn't read the 550 2000 page documents (or was that 2000 550 page documents) at developer.apple.com, and so on. It is one thing to nicely point to places to look. It is another to be insulting and condescending right from the start. The situation did improve as calmer heads actually started 'helping'.

The attitude has abated to a point. Part of that is that they now have to deal with tens of thousands of new programmers entering the fray of iPhone app development. On the other hand, Apple itself has been less than reasonable in dealing with developer support, getting applications through their evaluation process and onto the App Store, and making scheduled payments. Circumstances are changing but will take time for resolution.

One has to remember that these things are just electronic machines and software - tools. I don't like Linux OSs myself (since I like things to be simple and quick not geeky and mysterious) but that doesn't make me rail against Linux. I use both Windows and MacOS on a regular basis. Each has its good and bad points. This is why I avoid the 'Mac vs PC' (actually Mac vs Windows) flame wars. These aren't about the tools, they are about unreasonable people.
 
kuroyume0161 said:
These aren't about the tools, they are about unreasonable people.
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This statement is one I could not agree with more.

I use all sorts of various hardware and software configurations. I use macs, I use linux, I use Solaris/OpenSolaris, I use windows (allbeit rarely).

Tools do not beget themselves to "I am better than you." The wrench does not say to the hammer it is more functional. That only happens when the owners of said tools decide to act like douchebags.
 
Ducky said:
You do know there are people who use macs who aren't wearing black turtlenecks and drinking the mac-kool-aid to turn themselves into pretentious pricks, right?
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You mean I bought those shirts and the gallons of kool-aid for nothing?

Crap.


For laffs: I can verify yet again that Win 7 actually runs faster on a MacBook Pro than OS X does. :p
 
Ducky said:
You do know there are people who use macs who aren't wearing black turtlenecks and drinking the mac-kool-aid to turn themselves into pretentious pricks, right?
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Yes, sorry, I was ranting. My passion often overrides my more reasoned thinking process. Sorry.

It's just that those commercials really got to me. The newest ones aren't terrible or anything. I mean way back, where the person who just switched would tell the tale of woe about how their PC was infested with demons from hell and practically exploded any time they tried to open a simple document. I'm not sure if you remember these commercials, they predate the latest "switch" ones I think. It may have been the start of the same campaign. But it was where real users told horror stories that were clearly hyperbolic.
 
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GreNME said:
I suggest using DamnSmall instead, since it's more useful and versatile. ;)

(DSL brought an old 333 Mhz laptop back to life here at home... quite awesome indeed :) )
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I prefer DamnSmall's packaging system to Puppy's. Purely personal preference, they both are functional.

ETA: TO clarify, I prefer using APT to the packaging puppy uses, you have to run a script for DSL to actually use APT, though. Once installed you can use the debian repos.
 
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elgarak said:
They don't.

(You do realize that in the "I'm a Mac I'm a PC" ads Justin Long and John Hodgman play a Mac and a PC, don't you? The computers. Not the users.)
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Are you serious? Do you really not see the characterizations they make, and have been making about their computers since, well, 1984?
 
Well, this "fanboyism" came from a MicroSoft executive. Of course, the BIG borrow was in deriving the entire Windows interface from the Mac long ago. One of Apple's biggest marketing mistakes (and they have made many, while Microsoft excels on that score) was settling that infringement suit way too cheaply.
 
John Mayer said:
Well, this "fanboyism" came from a MicroSoft executive. Of course, the BIG borrow was in deriving the entire Windows interface from the Mac long ago. One of Apple's biggest marketing mistakes (and they have made many, while Microsoft excels on that score) was settling that infringement suit way too cheaply.
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Jesus Christ, do we really have to go through this again? Yes, the entire Windows interface, also known as the trashcan icon, was of course derived entirely and solely from the Mac.
 
elgarak said:
They don't.

(You do realize that in the "I'm a Mac I'm a PC" ads Justin Long and John Hodgman play a Mac and a PC, don't you? The computers. Not the users.)
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Yeah. The only thing the commercials make me want to do is smash a Mac into thousands of little pieces with a sledgehammer.
 
Darat said:
Sure MS tarted it up . . .
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Heh, I'm picturing you in a Windows 7 commercial. "Lately I've been wanting an operating system that was, well, tarted up a bit, if you know what I mean. I'm Darat and I created Windows 7."
 
erlando said:
Please stay out of my office then.. I kinda need my computer in working order. :)
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Ehhhh.... I have nothing against Apple except for their commercials. I've washed an IPOD, dried it, and still had it in working condition after realizing the big clanking sound emenating from the dryer was my player that I thought I lost.
 
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