Moderated Bigfoot- Anybody Seen one?

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...I am starting from the position that you were either hoaxed or are yourself lying about or embellishing something you saw.
I'm losing track of my Bigfoot sightings. 154, can you go back.. and give me some specifics to look into regarding your sighting?
From my perspective, I'm just kind of cutting through the chase to the kill. After we fill a page or two, and after Vort, WP and a few others chip in, and we arrive at some satisfaction that I am not lying or embellishing... we will arrive at an impasse of assumed hoax or hallucination beyond which I will be able to do nothing. So then, is there really any benefit to me in going through the exercise and so exposing myself? In the meantime, maybe... and I'll watch you dispose of the others.

Moneymaker has an account here but I think he'll be too busy making money to stop by anytime soon with no less than 100 BFRO expeditions for 2010 and a TV series going. There's a lot of people to sucker...
2010 Expeditions for Alumni Only
Maybe he doesn't need their money or their risk?
 
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From my perspective, I'm just kind of cutting through the chase to the kill. After we fill a page or two, and after Vort, WP and a few others chip in, and we arrive at some satisfaction that I am not lying or embellishing... we will arrive at an impasse of assumed hoax beyond which I will be able to do nothing. So then, is there really any benefit to me in going through the exercise and so exposing myself? In the meantime, maybe... and I'll watch you dispose of the others.

Maybe he doesn't need their money or their risk?

Good point of the eventual impasse. Excellent point. Unfortunately, that would mean that the discussion is essentially over before it begins. I still predict that if my husband registers he'll be a "sock puppet", lol. 154, you are wiser than me.

The Moneymaker guy, though...I don't know if he "needs" their money, but it sure does look to me like he takes advantage of people. But then again, so does the circus and movie theaters and lots of other businesses. We get what we pay for, I reckon. Some people are more willing to part with their money for entertainment's sake than me. I guess the upside to his "expeditions" is that people who otherwise don't get out into nature much have some time to appreciate how fantastic it is. Or at least I hope they do.
 
Why should anyone think you saw a real Bigfoot over having something nuerological happen when you say you felt a sensation like an electric shock, couldn't move, had spasms, went to the floor in a fetal position, felt then really groggy, heard footsteps unassociated to what you after saw, and had a weird smell in your nose for days that nobody else could smell? Wow, that's got neurological incident all over it. What rules out a false memory?

Kitakaze,

If this is what you believe happened to me, I am sure I cannot change your mind. If you expect me to agree with it, I'm sorry not going to happen.
 
I PMed Longtabber some time ago to get his words on what I thought might have been a mistake by Joey Donuts, whom I also know, and I had no response. Then I saw in a PM from someone else the proof that he was making it all up.

I guess I haven't really weighed in on this matter on this particular board yet where the Bigfoot community is concerned.

Kit, you have no idea how much I wish I had been wrong about him. I was waiting for some kind of proof from him, specific units, former commanding officers, places he'd been stationed at, anything at all that would have proven his story.

I would have been first in line to issue an apology and vouch for him to anyone that wanted to hear it had that been the case.

Instead, a flood of insults and derision. When that began, I was even more sure he was someone that had fabricated this particular aspect of his persona. I still didn't know for certain, though.

When I contacted various people that were in the three U.S. Army Special Forces Groups during the timeframe Longtabber claimed, nobody recognized his name. Furthermore, they found his claimed "operations" to be ridiculous and highly suspect.

Still not enough, though. It was possible, however infantile and unlikely, that he moved between three seperate SFGs and never crossed paths with any of the people I contacted. He did claim to be 1st SFOD-D (Delta Force) and I'm still not sure of their organizational structure within USSOCOM.

The folks at the POWNETWORK were as skeptical as I was, and did some more digging to uncover his name, which I won't share here. A records request with the National Personnel Records Center returned no records of any sort of any kind of military service. This seems like a grevious invasion of privacy, but when you're suspected of impersonating a member of the US Armed Forces for any reason, this is the hammer you bring down upon yourself.

What is apparent is that Longtabber PE has a very impressive depth of knowledge ABOUT the military with reference to places, things, technology, and organizational structure. All of it can be come across through careful open-source research, Jane's, Global Security, and other such publications.

It is still possible (and extremely unlikely) that Longtabber was in the military under a different name, and personnel of three different SFGs still did not know him. Given that he claimed also to be an E-8 with a PhD, we're dealing with almost ZERO probability. An enlisted servicemember with a doctorate? I bet you can count those on one hand. Surely people would have remembered such a person, given the leadership roles intrinsic to being an E-8 of any service.

The real kicker for me was when I dangled Eric L. Haney's name out there. He was the former Delta Operative who went on to write a book and assist with production of The Unit. Of course Longtabber claimed to not only know him, but to be a close associate.

Eric L. Haney, despite being a confirmed Been There, Done That - is something of a pariah in the Special Forces community because of his publishing noteriety. No real operative name-drops him.

I suppose it also goes without saying that Special Forces operatives are referred to as "Quiet Professionals" for a reason.

ETA: Apologies for the derail. I won't be commenting further on this matter in any threads here. Feel free to PM me if anyone would like more information.
 
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Kitakaze,

If this is what you believe happened to me, I am sure I cannot change your mind. If you expect me to agree with it, I'm sorry not going to happen.

Sure, you can change my mind. Feel free to change my mind about which of the following of your own statements did or did not not happen...

"Then I felt like a static electricity shock, it felt like, and kind of.. have you been shocked before, it’s like your just frozen? All the hairs on your body are standing up, and you’re just stuck there, I guess."

"And then I started having some kind of muscle spasms or nervous spasms, really bad, and I kind of slumped down on the floor of the deer stand, and curled up in the fetal position."

"I was really groggy and kind of getting myself back together. I sat back up, and was like, what the hell was that? And I started to look out the deer stand again. Then all the sudden I started hearing something, like footsteps, like branches breaking, like leaves crunching, like bushes rattling. Like something was moving through the forest."[/
 
But you were never in the Army....Check out Longtabber PE for your example...
Well that cheap, lying, no-good, rotten, fore-fleshing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey ◊◊◊◊ he is. Hallelujah. Holy ◊◊◊◊. Where's the Tylenol?

True story: As a mod on the BFF I was privately 'reprimanded' by none other than Gawd Vella for publicly calling-out (so-to-speak) a BS whiffin' Longtabber PE. Same guy? ;)

Truly, what a moroon! And I'd finally garnered some respect for the guy after watching him here on the JREF. A poultry grower? Cripes!

I'm losing track of my Bigfoot sightings...
:D You never fail to make me laugh.

...no less than 100 BFRO expeditions for 2010 and a TV series going. There's a lot of people to sucker...

2010 Expeditions for Alumni Only
Do you think Matt Moneymaker is able to sleep at night because he operates under a notion akin to 'I'm a good person darnit because I take people to Bigfoot. Maybe Bigfoot isn't a breathing, foraging, fornicating biological entity, but what's a few 'minor details'. Over on the JREF they say Bigfoot is whatever one needs 'him Bigfoot' to be. So all I do is steer them in a direction, a little, for cash. Yes, I'm a good man!'? Or is it more like 'Chicks, man!'?

...I won't be commenting further on this matter in any threads here. Feel free to PM me if anyone would like more information.
Cool name. Are you Ronin on Bullshido? And while I totally respect and empathize with the 'collective' offense and anger over his fake military career, I'm also not so happy about it all as just another faked-out lettuce eating protoplasm. I don't understand that need some people possess that literally forces them to be 'dishonest' (in some way) in all communication that occurs during interactions with other humans. Maybe the fact his actual profession was so, say left field of his persona's profession that it made it easier for him to always remember where the lies started and stopped. Lying is easy, remembering the lies, not so much. He's definitely one of those that need some of that there genuine 'serious counseling'. :)
 
Do you think Matt Moneymaker is able to sleep at night because he operates under a notion akin to 'I'm a good person darnit because I take people to Bigfoot. Maybe Bigfoot isn't a breathing, foraging, fornicating biological entity, but what's a few 'minor details'. Over on the JREF they say Bigfoot is whatever one needs 'him Bigfoot' to be. So all I do is steer them in a direction, a little, for cash. Yes, I'm a good man!'? Or is it more like 'Chicks, man!'?

I think that any funny business that Moneymaker gets up to he rationalizes to himself in Woods & Wildmen mode. Maybe we bring a suit with us once in a blue moon, maybe we have some guys chucking pinecones while I'm watching football in the hotel, maybe we get some yellers and some campsite fiddlers, but it's all for the greater good, man. These expeditions help our organization to continue with the funding and research we really need to do. It's the research, man, the research. You know, that thing where we do the complete and total opposite of what a 12 year old girl could tell you is the right way to bring Bigfoot to the world would be. That thing where hey, yeah, we were surrounded by Bigfoots. They were herding us with pinecones. It was intense! Let's never, ever go back there again nor speak any further of it and go over to this completely unrelated place and do something else.

I think making Moneymaker feel bad about duping people is like trying to make a stage actor feel bad for their perfomance not being who they really are. He is there and he has a role to play. He is Bigfoot LTD and he is the person that brings the real ;);) Bigfoot to the people. I doubt now that Moneymaker does anything himself anymore. Don't say anything to me about anything. I'm oblivious and I do not condone any yada yada yada. Meanwhile, his guys know what do do and when when it's time to go play Woods & Wildmen in the dark with a group of true believers.

Bigfoot is really real. I'll take my pinecone on the shoulder, please. Stay away from the eyes. Not around the eyes, thanks.
 
quoting WGBH
"Then I felt like a static electricity shock, it felt like, and kind of.. have you been shocked before, it’s like your just frozen? All the hairs on your body are standing up, and you’re just stuck there, I guess."

"And then I started having some kind of muscle spasms or nervous spasms, really bad, and I kind of slumped down on the floor of the deer stand, and curled up in the fetal position."

"I was really groggy and kind of getting myself back together. I sat back up, and was like, what the hell was that? And I started to look out the deer stand again. Then all the sudden I started hearing something, like footsteps, like branches breaking, like leaves crunching, like bushes rattling. Like something was moving through the forest."[/

If this doesn't sound like an attack of Sleep Onset REM Sleep (SOREMS), with a bout of cataplexy, then I don't know what Narcolepsy is.

SOREMS: http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/content/full/161/2/426
Does not indicate Narcolepsy, could be Sleep Apnea.

CATAPLEXY: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cataplexy
Wiki said:
Cataplexy manifests itself as muscular weakness which may range from a barely perceptible slackening of the facial muscles to the dropping of the jaw or head, weakness at the knees, or a total collapse. Usually the speech is slurred, vision is impaired (double vision, inability to focus), but hearing and awareness remain normal. These attacks are triggered by strong emotions such as exhilaration, anger, fear, surprise, orgasm, awe, embarrassment, and laughter. Cataplexy may be partial or complete, affecting a range of muscle groups, from those controlling facial features to (less commonly) those controlling the entire body. [3]

Arm weakness
Sagging jaw
Drooping head
Slumping of the shoulders
Slurred speech
Generalized weakness
Knee buckling
When cataplexy happens often, or cataplexy attacks make patients fall or drop things, it can have serious effects on normal activities. It can cause accidents and be embarrassing when it happens at work or with friends. For example, narcoleptics may not pick up babies because they are afraid they may drop them. [4]
 
In regards to LT are you possitive that you have the right person? I contacted this person VIA the face book account and e-mail given by Parcher's link and he responded " I am not the person you are looking for". Also, the e-mail address does not match the e-mail address given by LT at the forum I admin.
 
William Parcher, I would doubt it was even a full minute. I would say that it felt longer than that, but I think that's probably a common sense that unusual things seem to last longer than they actually do. I was in the passenger seat, with my seatbelt on, but yes, I did sort of rotate my body (not fully) as it came up alongside the vehicle and saw it veer over to the ditchline on the opposite side of the road (drivers side).

I was *not*, by the way, wearing my glasses, which I do need to drive, and I'll right away admit that I cannot see long distances without them. From the front, I could because of the illumination (though I couldn't see it clearly). From the rear, when it was to the side and behind, my vision wouldn't allow me to see very far at all. Once it went down the ditchline, that was it for me.

ETA: when a passenger, I only wear my glasses when watching for a correct turnoff or sign, and then I take them off again. This is only relevant because we stopped to make sure we were not lost, and so I *had* had my glasses on. Sometimes after taking them off my vision is a bit blurrier than usual, just to fully disclose. I don't have good vision.


Yeah, I'm sure you saw this thing for less than a minute. Once it's past and then behind the truck you can't see it much if at all. It's very dark at that time in December. Without your glasses, it's probably no different than a tree trunk until it's pretty close anyway.

footies on BFF said:
We were travelling between 40 and 45 mph when we first saw it. I was not driving at the time, as I said, but we had slowed down considerably by the time we finally spoke to one another.


At 40 mph you are travelling 59 feet per second. A minute at that speed would be 3540 feet. How far ahead would the headlamps illuminate?

Maybe you really only saw it for 5-10 seconds.
 
True story: As a mod on the BFF I was privately 'reprimanded' by none other than Gawd Vella for publicly calling-out (so-to-speak) a BS whiffin' Longtabber PE. Same guy? ;)

Truly, what a moroon! And I'd finally garnered some respect for the guy after watching him here on the JREF. A poultry grower? Cripes!

Dont you need to actually have to go into the woods to be footery gawd? He's wrong about that, he's backing the MRP despite overwhelming evidence they were hoaxed or added to one by covering it, he also had a role in censoring that subject, he was on the losing side of the Yakima fiasco, kinda makes one wonder....
 
In regards to LT are you possitive that you have the right person? I contacted this person VIA the face book account and e-mail given by Parcher's link and he responded " I am not the person you are looking for". Also, the e-mail address does not match the e-mail address given by LT at the forum I admin.


John, what is Longtabber PE up to these days?
 
WGBH per Kitakaze said:
and I kind of slumped down on the floor of the deer stand

Excuse me John, but that is exactly the symptom that indicates cataplexy.
Wiki for Cataplexy said:
Cataplexy manifests itself as muscular weakness which may range from a barely perceptible slackening of the facial muscles to the dropping of the jaw or head, weakness at the knees, or a total collapse
 
No thanks, not going to change my mind.

Huh? Change your mind? We're having a misfire here, so let's review...

I asked why we should consider you really saw Bigfoot more likely than having had a neurological experience and summarized some of the major indicators as described by you...

Why should anyone think you saw a real Bigfoot over having something nuerological happen when you say you felt a sensation like an electric shock, couldn't move, had spasms, went to the floor in a fetal position, felt then really groggy, heard footsteps unassociated to what you after saw, and had a weird smell in your nose for days that nobody else could smell? Wow, that's got neurological incident all over it. What rules out a false memory?

You then responded by telling me that those things I described were incorrect in some way...

Kitakaze,

If this is what you believe happened to me, I am sure I cannot change your mind. If you expect me to agree with it, I'm sorry not going to happen.

I responded by asking you to clarify which of your very own words from which my summary came were in correct...

Sure, you can change my mind. Feel free to change my mind about which of the following of your own statements did or did not not happen...

"Then I felt like a static electricity shock, it felt like, and kind of.. have you been shocked before, it’s like your just frozen? All the hairs on your body are standing up, and you’re just stuck there, I guess."

"And then I started having some kind of muscle spasms or nervous spasms, really bad, and I kind of slumped down on the floor of the deer stand, and curled up in the fetal position."

"I was really groggy and kind of getting myself back together. I sat back up, and was like, what the hell was that? And I started to look out the deer stand again. Then all the sudden I started hearing something, like footsteps, like branches breaking, like leaves crunching, like bushes rattling. Like something was moving through the forest."[/

You were saying that if I believed the things I summarized to be what really happened to you, that you were sure you couldn't change my mind, but that you would never agree to those things having happened.

So when I said you felt a sensation like an electric shock, couldn't move, had spasms, went to the floor in a fetal position, felt then really groggy, heard footsteps unassociated to what you after saw, and had a weird smell in your nose for days that nobody else could smell, what part of that description is in conflict with the words you yourself said about your experience?

I don't know what you're talking about with a terse "No thanks, not going to change my mind." Whaaa? It's not about you changing your mind. You are supposed to change my mind by clarifying which of your own statements that I summarized did not actually happen. You see, my summary comes straight from your words and it is your words from your own encounter story that really spell out something neurological.

So again, John, instead of just trying to wave it away, which of these things did not happen?

- Felt a sensation like an electric shock and couldn't move.

- Had spasms, went to the floor in a fetal position.

- Felt then really groggy.

- Soon after heard footsteps unassociated to what you after saw.

- Had a weird smell in your nose for days that nobody else could smell.
 
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