The VFF Test is On!

Assuming the information posted by Drs_Res is accurate for all of the rounds, the Stop Vision from Feeling contingent managed a total of nine hits in 40 attempts (22.5%) at identifying the three subjects out of 18 (16.7%) in the test who were missing a kidney. Anita, on the other hand, recorded two out of three hits (66.7%) in that same endeavor. Further, the SVFF contingent batting average was bolstered by the fact that McLuvin and Gee Mack made the exact same picks (subject and kidney) in each round, and -- like Anita -- each were credited with two hits out of three subjects. However, the odds that McLuvin and Gee Mack would have independently made the exact same picks are slim. So, if we count only the SVFF subject picks that appear to be independent, we get seven hits in 37 attempts (18.9%) -- pretty much what you would expect by chance.

Keep in mind that Anita had access to visual information that those watching from home didn't. In trial three, the woman she picked was older than the rest by at least 20 years. In trial two, she choose the guy with the visual leg brace and fresh scars. Noted way back in Sept.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5066142&postcount=44
 
Someone mentioned this, and I noted it as well, her (VFF) seems to be getting more and more assured that she actually accomplished more than she really did. If this was something new I would be inclined to believe people here are being, I think I know where this comes from now, "meanies".

Instead, the people more familiar with VFF have put this into context by noting this is a typical response from her. That being the case, the more experienced ones aren't feeding some mental illness, they're simply identifying her delusion.
See this post where Anita talks about the thing with Dr. Carlson.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=4562449#post4562449

Here's the form she was supposed to fill out. Right there in black and white you can see she was supposed circle that he was missing a kidney. She didn't. She also promised to post copies of the completed form. As usual, she broke that promise.

Even more telling is that she said she said she marked four other conditions regarding other problems clearly defined as "reduced mobility of a joint, a joint that locks, and/or has pain." She said she marked them to the lowest extent possible. She added "extent" to the form to give herself wiggle room.

When Dr. Carlson said she was wrong about those four things (no such problems existed), she then explained to us, "It could be that I was sensing Dr. Carlson's healthy bones and joints." Yes, you're reading that correctly. If he had noted pain, she would have been right. Since he didn't, it was confirmation that sometimes she detects healthy things.

This, my friends, is how she has determined that there is "apparent accuracy" that needs to be investigated. This one reading with Dr. Carlson in which she was totally wrong eventually became her "strongest" reading in her life and compelled her (several months later) to decide on having a kidney detection test.

On Anita's website she writes under the January 22nd reading (FACT meeting reading "Wayne"), "I detected a very slight discomfort at the throat, but I clearly wrote down that it is very minor and it is not something I would describe as an "ailment"." This became, "I detected his Adam's apple."

She also said, "At one point during my viewing I told him, since he was obviously curious about how I do this, to note that I do not look at the body part that I am reading but often look to the side or look away or close my eyes to form the images." So much for not talking during readings, huh?

Here's the description of the reading as given by GodofPie, the meeting organizer. It's important to note that Anita was asked to use the questionnaire I had designed, but Anita declined. I blatant refusal to have any objective type of measurement.

Her conclusion? "I have yet again failed to dismiss the possiblity of an ESP ability, by not providing inaccurate perceptions when there was an opportunity to form and to reveal such; the paranormal claim has again not been falsified."

She's nothing if not consistent. If she notes a problem that's not a problem, she was simply detecting something healthy. If she misses an ailment, it's because she doesn't claim she can detect everything or because she sensed it but didn't write it down.

The IIG test was no different than anything she has ever done. She does not deserve any further tests.

It could be argued that ignoring her, and letting her go and spread more falsehoods to other unsuspecting inquisitors would be facilitating her...not so normal way of thinking.

We are not responsible for her mental illness, if there is one. She continues *despite* us not because of us. She sounds so sincere that people unfamiliar with her history want to give her another chance. It's those people we should care about.
 
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Can you elaborate a little bit more about your involvement with the test? Thanks!

I was a volunteer and sat in the third trial. I have no involvement with IIG and was a bit surprised to find out that CFI West is about a mile away from my house.

I also introduced them to my friend who was missing a kidney. When I did so, I told them that I had mentioned it here. However, I didn't make a big deal out of it. Plus I didn't give them my screen name or very many details about what I had said. In hindsight, it was a bit naive to think that they would have picked out a few posts scattered over numerous threads and two different websites. I really should have gathered it up and forwarded it to them so that they had all the info.

If I have any excuse it is only that I wasn't involved with the planning stages and didn't understand until afterward just how crazy and involved everything was.

Now the only guy that Anita was sure about is the same guy I mentioned. Not that I blame the IIG (for the reasons listed above) If there is any fault here it is entirely mine.
 
I was a volunteer and sat in the third trial. I have no involvement with IIG and was a bit surprised to find out that CFI West is about a mile away from my house.

I also introduced them to my friend who was missing a kidney. When I did so, I told them that I had mentioned it here. However, I didn't make a big deal out of it. Plus I didn't give them my screen name or very many details about what I had said. In hindsight, it was a bit naive to think that they would have picked out a few posts scattered over numerous threads and two different websites. I really should have gathered it up and forwarded it to them so that they had all the info.

If I have any excuse it is only that I wasn't involved with the planning stages and didn't understand until afterward just how crazy and involved everything was.

Now the only guy that Anita was sure about is the same guy I mentioned. Not that I blame the IIG (for the reasons listed above) If there is any fault here it is entirely mine.

That's the guy you discussed on my site in this thread?
http://www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com/Discussion/tabid/294/aff/1/aft/127/afv/topic/Default.aspx

And the same guy you said Anita contacted you about via PM in this thread?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5069929#post5069929

Sorry, but that's a serious protocol violation, especially since he was wearing an external leg brace and had other physical damage that might be detectable through his body language.
 
That's the guy you discussed on my site in this thread?
http://www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com/Discussion/tabid/294/aff/1/aft/127/afv/topic/Default.aspx

And the same guy you said Anita contacted you about via PM in this thread?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5069929#post5069929

Sorry, but that's a serious protocol violation, especially since he was wearing an external leg brace and had other physical damage that might be detectable through his body language.

Well there's the answer to the $50 000 question: "How did I know?"

How unfortunate, and yet very, very telling at the same time.
 
That's the guy you discussed on my site in this thread?
http://www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com/Discussion/tabid/294/aff/1/aft/127/afv/topic/Default.aspx

And the same guy you said Anita contacted you about via PM in this thread?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5069929#post5069929

Sorry, but that's a serious protocol violation, especially since he was wearing an external leg brace and had other physical damage that might be detectable through his body language.

That does seems serious. I hadn't seen the earlier post either.
That makes me think the lucky guess was more than lucky.
Oh well....still failed. Lucky guesses or educated guesses are still guesses.
 
That's the guy you discussed on my site in this thread?
http://www.stopvisionfromfeeling.com/Discussion/tabid/294/aff/1/aft/127/afv/topic/Default.aspx

And the same guy you said Anita contacted you about via PM in this thread?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5069929#post5069929

Sorry, but that's a serious protocol violation, especially since he was wearing an external leg brace and had other physical damage that might be detectable through his body language.

Holy cats.

You know she's read through that web site regularly; that 'hit' is completely tainted.
 
We are not responsible for her mental illness, if there is one. She continues *despite* us not because of us. She sounds so sincere that people unfamiliar with her history want to give her another chance. It's those people we should care about.
Very true. She sounded so rational, I really believed her promise to admit her claim falsified if she failed the test. Thanks for your extensive descriptions of her history in this and other posts.
 
What on earth does Rodney mean by saying that McLuvin and GeeMack somehow didn't have "independent" picks?
According to Drs_Res, they each made the following selections: Round 1, 12-L; Round 2, 24-L; Round 3, 36-L. Do you think that happened by chance?

Where did the 66.7% figure come from, no matter how the results are interpreted?
That's simply the percentage of subjects that Anita got right; i.e., two out of three.

I just don't think that Rodney is going to be satisfied until he understands why even giving Anita credit for getting the person right and the kidney wrong would still not make the results into anything special.
A lot more special than the performance of the Stop Vision from Feeling contingent -- and nearly statistically significant.
 
Holy cats.

You know she's read through that web site regularly; that 'hit' is completely tainted.

Sheesh - so *that's* how she did it. We already know she was using warm and cold reading as well as attempting to get her hits up through choosing only left: this latest info seems to show hot reading. Anita knows that there is a skeptic living in LA who has a friend with a missing kidney *and* that friend has very recently received treatment for a severe motorcycle accident which harmed his leg and arm. She even has a PM exchange with the skeptic about this friend, one which didn't go well and is therefore memorable. So she sees a volunteer with a leg brace, probably showing other signs of illness or discomfort, at a skeptics' event in LA, and therefore she picks him out.

Wow.
 
That's simply the percentage of subjects that Anita got right; i.e., two out of three.


Except that it's not true. Making that mistake once or twice could be overlooked as you being ignorant or a poor reader. But after you've been shown so many times exactly how you're wrong, your repeating that would indicate that maybe you're just not intellectually capable of understanding, or possibly you're a liar.
 
Would you care to put your money where your mouth is on that statement, my friend? How about, say, my house against your $5?


All you have to do is show where the protocol specifies some amount of credit was to be given for guessing a person missing a kidney but failing to guess the correct kidney. How about if you can, I send you $5, and if you can't, you admit you're wrong and shut up about it? Now please, unless you can show how your complaining has some relevance to the actual demonstration, please take it elsewhere. Maybe AAH would be a good category, you know, like some of your other out-of-line whining. ;)

For anyone just coming into the conversation, the demonstration protocol required that Anita guess exactly which of 12 possible kidneys was missing in each of three rounds. The protocol also stipulated that unless she was able to guess all three missing kidneys correctly, she failed the demonstration 100%. She guessed one. Just like I did. :D
 
According to Drs_Res, they each made the following selections: Round 1, 12-L; Round 2, 24-L; Round 3, 36-L. Do you think that happened by chance?


That's simply the percentage of subjects that Anita got right; i.e., two out of three.


A lot more special than the performance of the Stop Vision from Feeling contingent -- and nearly statistically significant.


Rodney, what do you make of VfF's "accuracy" in light of what's been revealed in recent posts here (#1662-1667)?


M.
 
You keep saying this and you remain wrong. Even Anita is admitting that she failed the third trial. Why do you continue to claim for her a "power" that she denies herself?
Yes, I failed the third trial. I got the correct person, but the wrong side. I had also reached my limit, and was very nearly raising my hand up to cancel the trial. I was having a headache, my claimed perceptions stopped working, I felt an electrical imbalance all across my body, and I felt close to fainting. I never have these symptoms at other times in my life though, but have experienced them in the past when I have pushed myself to do too many trials, like in the bacteria detection tests at home.

Those are real symptoms, and not minor. I am not lying about them, or exaggerating them. And for those of you who are quick to judge, and would like to call me a liar on that, if the video that was taken from the front of the stage is released, you can all see it close-up. And once my draft papers, that were stapled to the back of the answer sheets, are published, you can all see that I clearly write that I am tired.

Surely you can not argue if I want another test that ensures that I do not get fatigue? I would hope for the next, and hopefully final, test, to have two trials in one day, and then another two trials the day after. Yes, there is a lot of work involved, but I will pay those that work with the test arrangements if that helps. (And I will be donating some to the IIG once I can. The IIG worked hard and deserves that.)

I absolutely do not refute the results of the test. But just to settle my own curiosity, I want to find out if the results are the same once two conditions that affected my performance are addressed. The test will also have more extensive screens, and only the back-area of the subjects will be seen.
 
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Keep in mind that Anita had access to visual information that those watching from home didn't. In trial three, the woman she picked was older than the rest by at least 20 years. In trial two, she choose the guy with the visual leg brace and fresh scars. Noted way back in Sept.
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5066142&postcount=44
Interestingly, as I was feeling the emptiness inside subject 36, logic was telling me that it surely couldn't be this person, because it would be too obvious since she is older than the others, and perhaps she was among the subjects to try to trick me. I was trying to not pick her, because of her age.

As for some visual leg brace and scars, I could never connect those to someone missing a kidney. Nor would I connect having tattoos, to missing a kidney. Remember, that my only past encounter with a person that has only one kidney is Dr. Carlson. And he has no fresh scars or tattoos.

These issues are another reason why I am going to have another test. The next test will have more elaborate screens. The subjects' head, neck, shoulders, arms and legs won't be visible. You can start thinking about what excuses to make next time. Only the back-area will be visible next.

Interesting how you are trying to explain away any correct answers that I made, and it seems I am not allowed to do the same by explaining my incorrect answers. Just a thought.
 
Now the only guy that Anita was sure about is the same guy I mentioned. Not that I blame the IIG (for the reasons listed above) If there is any fault here it is entirely mine.
I did not recognize subject 24. The reason I chose him is because I perceived his left kidney as being missing, and because all but two kidneys in that trial were easy to find. You may certainly wonder whether I might have recognized subject 24 from your Forum posts, but for you to conclude that this would be the case, when it is not, is ridiculous.

All the more reason to have another test, since you are accusing yourself of having disqualified the test. And since none of your personal acquaintances will be involved in another test, nor yourself, you can start thinking of other excuses to try to disqualify my answers next time. :rolleyes:
 
Yes, I failed the third trial. I got the correct person, but the wrong side.

Ok so now what is your story exactly.

1) You were tired, didn't feel anything, knew you were wrong and said so. But you picked the right person (wrong kidney) anyways. -> Leading you to believe you can predict when you are right or wrong. And the partial guess doesn't mean anything (since you knew you were wrong)

2)You were partially right (you chose the right person because you somehow know this person is missing a kidney). But you mentioned that you were wrong because you were tired. ->Leading you to believe that you can find a person with a missing kidney but don't know that you can with any accuracy.

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