Gang stalking paranoia

[FriendlyAndLively]

I will be back later - probably in a few days - to remark on organized stalking tactics, especially those that seem "crazy". In the meantime, I'll leave you with some better sites to critique.

Gang Stalking World has serious execution problems. I think its presentation trivializes the concerns of targeted individuals, and Eleanor White agrees ( creviews.net/cr000002.htm ). GSW shouldn't discredit the claims of targets, any more than a website by a raving loony in whatever your occupation is would discredit you.

I also think you should show a little more compassion and understanding. Targets of gang stalking experience things that are so far out of what they might have previously considered the norm, they have no place to turn for help. They aren't like you; they can't log on to a site of like-minded people to find out what they should be thinking.

Targets will be subjected to years of sleep deprivation and continuous fight-or-flight responses, neither of which are good for the mind or body. The ones who manage to survive long enough to connect to other targets have a kind of mental toughness that I think is admirable. However, they aren't at their best by the time they've started connecting with others. What you guys are doing is like a bunch of well-fed suburbanites pointing and laughing at the residents of a concentration camp - what's the matter with them, why don't they eat more?

Now for some better sites.

Citizens Against Technological and Community Based Harassment: catchcanada.net

North American Freedom Foundation: naff.org

Christians Against Mental Slavery (I have problems accessing this site, but nobody else complains... so...): slavery.org.uk

Mind Justice: mindjustice.org

 

[gtc]

I also think you should show a little more compassion and understanding. Targets of gang stalking experience things that are so far out of what they might have previously considered the norm, they have no place to turn for help. They aren't like you; they can't log on to a site of like-minded people to find out what they should be thinking.

Targets will be subjected to years of sleep deprivation and continuous fight-or-flight responses, neither of which are good for the mind or body. The ones who manage to survive long enough to connect to other targets have a kind of mental toughness that I think is admirable. However, they aren't at their best by the time they've started connecting with others. What you guys are doing is like a bunch of well-fed suburbanites pointing and laughing at the residents of a concentration camp - what's the matter with them, why don't they eat more?

Some people here may ridicule these people but most of us will show compassion and understanding for what these people are going through - in many cases because they have experienced similar feelings themselves or witnessed this in others. The difference is that the vast majority of people here believe that mental illness is the most likely explanation for what is being described.

 

[FriendlyAndLively]

LightinDarkness wrote:

Yawn. First of all, we live in a representative DEMOCRACY.​

For a long time poster on this forum to make such an obvious mistake, and not be called on it, speaks volumes.

No, "we" (by which I assume you mean US citizens) are not in a democracy. We are in a Constitutional Republic. The Constitution is supposed to limit the power of the government.

Looking at everything else you've posted in the light of an obvious misconception which goes uncorrected by your fellow skeptics - I see your cheap high school debate-team tactics exposed for what they are. You don't actually debunk anything. You score points and appeal to authority. You ask for 'proof' that can never be provided, because the only kind of proof you'll accept is an admission of guilt by the current power structure, which defies any reasonable expectation.

I will be happy to share insights with people viewing this thread, but I'm not interested in debating an anonymous Internet troll who doesn't even know what type of government we have. I recommend that other targets who sign onto this thread likewise be wary of a person who is only interested in belittling and disrupting under the guise of 'skepticism'.

Back later.

 

[Sledge]

Dude, it's not real. It's a delusion. These people aren't being stalked by a horde of professionals who go to great lengths to follow them, then tip them the wink to let them know. It's a mental illness, and pretending otherwise is reprehensible.

 

[gtc]

The claimed distinction between republic and democracy pops up all the time on these forums. Its not really relevant to the discussion but maybe we can get it out of the way.

To the best of my knowledge a republic is simply a country without a monarchy and a democracy is simply a country where politicians are voted for in reasonably free and fair elections (or where government policies are voted for directly).

The USA is a democracy and a republic and the powers of the government are limited by its constitution.

The UK, Canada, Australia and Denmark are monarchies but are also democratic with government powers limited by constitutions.

The Soviet Union and the GDR were republics but not democracies (even if they claimed otherwise).

These definitions seem to be in use throughout the Commonwealth but maybe things are different in the US.

 

[LightinDarkness]

I will be back later - probably in a few days - to remark on organized stalking tactics, especially those that seem "crazy". In the meantime, I'll leave you with some better sites to critique.

Please don't bother. First, you need to provide evidence gang stalking exists. Commenting on gang stalking tactics when there is no proof they exist is a pointless endeavor.

And before you come back, please see a mental health professional.

Gang Stalking World has serious execution problems. I think its presentation trivializes the concerns of targeted individuals, and Eleanor White agrees ( creviews.net/cr000002.htm ). GSW shouldn't discredit the claims of targets, any more than a website by a raving loony in whatever your occupation is would discredit you.

I see, so you apparently are one of the people who thinks gang stalkers are after them and all the popular gang stalking sites don't display the horrors you go through. Elenor White is a gang stalking woo who reinforces delusions by telling woos that they are being gang stalked no matter what the evidence actually is.

I also think you should show a little more compassion and understanding. Targets of gang stalking experience things that are so far out of what they might have previously considered the norm, they have no place to turn for help. They aren't like you; they can't log on to a site of like-minded people to find out what they should be thinking.

I think you should know a little more about reality. Reinforcing delusions of gang stalking is extremely cruel and only further damages the mental health of individuals (like yourself) who believe it. Target of gang stalking aren't really being gang stalked, and the best place they have to turn to help is a mental health professional.

Targets will be subjected to years of sleep deprivation and continuous fight-or-flight responses, neither of which are good for the mind or body. The ones who manage to survive long enough to connect to other targets have a kind of mental toughness that I think is admirable. However, they aren't at their best by the time they've started connecting with others. What you guys are doing is like a bunch of well-fed suburbanites pointing and laughing at the residents of a concentration camp - what's the matter with them, why don't they eat more?

No, they don't, because gang stalking doesn't exist. All of these are symptoms of the mental illness associates with people claiming to be gang stalked - schizophrenia, multiple personality disorders, delusions of grandeur, etc. Connecting with others just reinforces the delusions. Please seek help.

Now for some better sites.

These are horrible sites and a good example of the types of reinforcement the New York Times article talks about - sites in which woos gather to reinforce their delusions.

 

[LightinDarkness]

For a long time poster on this forum to make such an obvious mistake, and not be called on it, speaks volumes.

This is a classical woo tactic of misdirection. Unfortunately, its one that not only are you completely wrong about but a tactic that is completely irrelevant to your claims of gang stalking. The United States system is indeed a democracy. No amount of you flailing about is going to change that.

No, "we" (by which I assume you mean US citizens) are not in a democracy. We are in a Constitutional Republic. The Constitution is supposed to limit the power of the government.

We operate in a representative democracy. You fail again.

Looking at everything else you've posted in the light of an obvious misconception which goes uncorrected by your fellow skeptics - I see your cheap high school debate-team tactics exposed for what they are. You don't actually debunk anything. You score points and appeal to authority. You ask for 'proof' that can never be provided, because the only kind of proof you'll accept is an admission of guilt by the current power structure, which defies any reasonable expectation.

Your elementary attempts to obfuscate the reality that your points have been devoid of facts and that you suffer from delusions of gang stalking have failed. You have been debunked, and your continued elementary and childish tactics only further highlight why you should seek mental help. Even here your rantings about the "power structure" are signs of your mental illness.

I will be happy to share insights with people viewing this thread, but I'm not interested in debating an anonymous Internet troll who doesn't even know what type of government we have. I recommend that other targets who sign onto this thread likewise be wary of a person who is only interested in belittling and disrupting under the guise of 'skepticism'.

As someone who suffers from delusions of gang stalking, this is another sign that you need to seek help. I, in debunking you and providing you with facts that show you are not being gang stalked, have already become part of the conspiracy against you.

Please take a few days and seek help from a competent mental health professional.

 

[LightinDarkness]

Dude, it's not real. It's a delusion. These people aren't being stalked by a horde of professionals who go to great lengths to follow them, then tip them the wink to let them know. It's a mental illness, and pretending otherwise is reprehensible.

Thats the thing about mental illness - to people suffering from it, its real. We all know its not, but as you can see in his few posts here I have already become part of the delusion for debunking him. Hes already frantically trying to misdirect and obfuscate the topic by ranting and railing about the definition of democracy which has no relevance to the thread.

 

[fromdownunder]

The thing I find odd about this, and with other woo which requires a belief in "they are out to get me", is how do these people think that posting on the internet is safe?

Anybody who wishes to could find out a helluva lot about me simply through tracking my internet history on BBs and other public domain sources. Name, age, address, occupation, phone number, marriage status, no. of kids (even pictures). And yet these people seem to think that (20?) people are stalking them and that they can happily post such stalking on to a (semi) public forum and ask for help.

The internet is an open invitation to knowledge about anybody who uses it to anybody who cares enough to find out. Using people is too expensive, as I suggested on another thread (NWO related, and much the same thing). Just use on-line sources, and do, maybe, a one on one stalker.

It just does not make sense. Unless everybody is stalking everybody else?

Norm

 

[fromdownunder]

I wish I could recall the name or author of a SF short story I read many years ago where a guy moved to his own planet to get away from it all, and over the next few years it became heavily populated, but the rest of the population were all people spying on him, or each other. It was hilarious, and actually mirrors the Gang Stalking conspiracy pretty closely.

It was something like "My Spy" (and I tried googling this, and came up with a whole different novel) but that is all I recall.

Norm

 

[Mongrel]

For example, if I want to disrupt a communist group the last thing I want to do is train 20 people to wear coordinating T-Shirts saying DEMOCRACY and have them walk past the communist group leader when he goes out for a walk. All thats going to do is make it obvious.

And frankly if you want to make it obvious you just wheel out the MiBs

 

[fuelair]

Why would anybody be paranoid about stalking gangs? I think they should be stalked, treed and .....................

 

[FriendlyAndLively]

Side note: if you refrain from using cultural slang such as "woo" in the below context, I will take it as a positive sign that you are willing to engage outsiders and are not using mental shortcuts to stifle unwelcome ideas. I am doing my best to explain an alien world to you; I would appreciate it if you'd try to meet me quarter-way.

The thing I find odd about this, and with other woo which requires a belief in "they are out to get me", is how do these people think that posting on the internet is safe?

What makes you think gang stalkers don't already know everything there is to know about the target? In fact, what targets find out (and one of the elements of gang stalking even they find it hard to believe in at first) is that gang stalkers are fed information about the target by a highly sophisticated intelligence gathering system.

You're right; "they" can find out a lot about you just from your Internet activity. What targets find out is that the gang stalkers already took that step.

These campaigns may appear to come out of nowhere; it is common that when a target first becomes aware of gang stalking, they hit him hard from multiple directions at the same time - but there is an intelligence gathering aspect that may build up for months or even years before the target learns he's been targeted.

Of course, as a good skeptic, you are wondering where the manpower and funding for same might come from. Stay tuned.

 

[FriendlyAndLively]

Did the Stasis routinely break into people's homes and replace items of clothing with similar but inferior ones, or start going out with a subject's sister with the intent of ruining the subject's love life? It doesn't sound like the sort of thing a secret police force would do.

Tactic #1, going into people's homes on a regular basis and moving objects around or making small changes over time - that is known as Gaslighting. See the Wikipedia entry on that. It is a highly effective tactic for undermining a person's memory, and sanity. How many times have you said to yourself, "I know I put this somewhere, where is it?" Now imagine this sort of event occurs several times a week, or even multiple times a day.

Tactic #2, I can't comment on without knowing the particulars. However, it is a common tactic to "go after" people who are in the target's life, including friends, coworkers, and family members.

 

[FriendlyAndLively]

... These people aren't being stalked by a horde of professionals who go to great lengths to follow them, then tip them the wink to let them know...

This is a tactic called conspicuous surveillance, and was used by the FBI in their COINTELPRO operations. The point is not to gather information on the target - chances are, they already know everything there is to know about the target. The point is to unnerve the target.

My only quibble with the above sentence fragment is that you imply the people stalking the targets are 'professionals'. What makes you think that?

For many people, especially the type of low-life who follows a target everywhere, becoming part of a group like this will be the greatest thing they ever do.

I will be happy to show you real life examples of people engaging in highly sophisticated and coordinated group skits, for free. Not only do they participate for free, they beg to be allowed to join in.

 

[fromdownunder]

This is a tactic called conspicuous surveillance, and was used by the FBI in their COINTELPRO operations. The point is not to gather information on the target - chances are, they already know everything there is to know about the target. The point is to unnerve the target.

Why unnerve the target? Is there an ultimate purpose in who is targetted, or is it just some form of mind game and part of a super secret experiment, and the targets are randomly selected?

Norm

 

[LightinDarkness]

Side note: if you refrain from using cultural slang such as "woo" in the below context, I will take it as a positive sign that you are willing to engage outsiders and are not using mental shortcuts to stifle unwelcome ideas. I am doing my best to explain an alien world to you; I would appreciate it if you'd try to meet me quarter-way.

I don't really care what terms you want me to use. I appreciate you trying to explain your delusions and its a important insight into the powerful paranoia you live with, but the best thing you can do is see a mental health professional. By engaging you and humoring these delusions we are probably making things worse to begin with.

What makes you think gang stalkers don't already know everything there is to know about the target? In fact, what targets find out (and one of the elements of gang stalking even they find it hard to believe in at first) is that gang stalkers are fed information about the target by a highly sophisticated intelligence gathering system.

Well, first, you would have to provide some evidence that the gang stalkers exist. You would also need to explain why you are so important as to have someone hire dozens of people and spend millions of dollars investigating you and harassing you in subtle ways that just happen to mirror the symptoms of paranoid schizophrenia.

These campaigns may appear to come out of nowhere; it is common that when a target first becomes aware of gang stalking, they hit him hard from multiple directions at the same time - but there is an intelligence gathering aspect that may build up for months or even years before the target learns he's been targeted.

Again - why? Why are you so important that some malevolent entity is spending millions of dollars to gang stalk you?

Of course, as a good skeptic, you are wondering where the manpower and funding for same might come from. Stay tuned.

Of course, before we get to that, we would need to provide evidence for gang stalking actually existing. Still waiting on that one.

 

[carlitos]

What makes you think gang stalkers don't already know everything there is to know about the target? In fact, what targets find out (and one of the elements of gang stalking even they find it hard to believe in at first) is that gang stalkers are fed information about the target by a highly sophisticated intelligence gathering system.
You're right; "they" can find out a lot about you just from your Internet activity. What targets find out is that the gang stalkers already took that step.

I'd like evidence for just one target having info fed to just one group of gang stalkers. And I'd like it soon, before you devolve into 'tactics' etc.

 

[LightinDarkness]

This is a tactic called conspicuous surveillance, and was used by the FBI in their COINTELPRO operations. The point is not to gather information on the target - chances are, they already know everything there is to know about the target. The point is to unnerve the target.

No, not it was not. Please provide evidence that COINTELPRO used this, because all the real evidence suggests quite the opposite. Cointelpro used covert methods to infiltrate groups that the government viewed as politically threatening with the end goal being to dismantle them. Gang stalking - if it was real - is designed to (for some reason) spend millions of dollars on tweaking individuals for no obvious reason and making it obvious to you what is going on. Completely the opposite of cointelpro.

My only quibble with the above sentence fragment is that you imply the people stalking the targets are 'professionals'. What makes you think that?

Well, its a very reasonable assumption. Given that no one who claims to be gang stalking can EVER produce these people or any evidence they exist, they must all be consummate stalking professionals. Otherwise they would leave actual trials of evidence that would convince people other than those suffering from these delusions.

For many people, especially the type of low-life who follows a target everywhere, becoming part of a group like this will be the greatest thing they ever do.

And where exactly do we find information about how these low lifes are recruited? Is there a jobs board somewhere?

I will be happy to show you real life examples of people engaging in highly sophisticated and coordinated group skits, for free. Not only do they participate for free, they beg to be allowed to join in.

Except all you will be showing us is youtube videos taken by people with paranoid schizophrenia. I've seen them before - they drive around and think EVERYONE around them is taking part in some elaborate skit against them, when in reality its just normal people going about their daily normal lives.

 

[LightinDarkness]

Tactic #1, going into people's homes on a regular basis and moving objects around or making small changes over time - that is known as Gaslighting. See the Wikipedia entry on that. It is a highly effective tactic for undermining a person's memory, and sanity. How many times have you said to yourself, "I know I put this somewhere, where is it?" Now imagine this sort of event occurs several times a week, or even multiple times a day.

Tactic #2, I can't comment on without knowing the particulars. However, it is a common tactic to "go after" people who are in the target's life, including friends, coworkers, and family members.

You have provided no evidence that the Stasi used either of these tactics. The Wikipedia article on gaslighting simply notes it was used by the Manson family..not the Stasi.

We are still awaiting evidence that any group in history has engaged in these gang stalking tactics.