The VFF Test is On!

volatile · Nov 26, 2009

Drs_Res said:
You are correct wardenclyffe. 24 left was correct for the 2nd set.

Does that mean I have sooper-powers too?!

Anthem · Nov 26, 2009

UncaYimmy said:
This is for Rodney.

Whoa! I was just looking over the chat. Akhenaten picked 11 left, and that was correct. He also picked 24 left, which was the right person and the wrong side. He scored the same as Anita!

Tsig, Lex and Agatha picked #11 left - right person, wrong side. There were three other guesses, so three out of six picked the same person.

Volatile, Geemack and Akhenaten all picked #24 left - right person, wrong side. There were three other guess, so 3 out of 6 picked the same person.

GeeMack had 36 left - right person, wrong side. Anthem and Agatha's daughter picked 36. Only four other people made guesses, so 3 out of 7 picked the same person.

This is actually kinda interesting. With a .166 chance, 19 guesses and 9 success, there was a 0.1% chance of it being due to chance alone.

UncaJimmy, have you checked if part of those numbers you mentioned were mentioned by the chatmembers -after- each line-up? (I did'nt guess, just answered a question of somebody about who Anita picked in the 3rd round and maybe more people remarked about the person she had chosen.)

Drs_Res · Nov 26, 2009

Guesses from the SVFF chat prior to the start of the test:

I must admit I screwed up when I claimed the correct order of the sides, I missed on that as well.

I have not gone through the chat after the start of the test yet.

Drs_Res · Nov 26, 2009

Guesses during the first trial:

Gmonster2 · Nov 26, 2009

Woot I have sooper powers too

Hey I'm Mcluvin on the stopvff site

I got exactly the same as Anita in the IIg test I also new that Dr carlson had a missing kidney after I read it on the webite and I got the open test correct as well!

The first trial i was a bit tired and drunk this was all new so I had to warm up so I knew that one was a bit iffy....Plus I didnt take 27 mins per round and I didnt cold read or post dict. I stated my results well up front of the test.

Mcluvin 1 Anita 0

I'm planning on many more test and studies if everyone would like to spend days writing up protocols I will then dismiss them all and make up my own.

Does everyone think I need to continue more testing and investigations in to this ( I know Rodney does) but anyone else?

I can explain how my powers work if u like?

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I'd like in the next test for only skinny people to be involved and I think If i switch to Cab sav my powers will be even stronger!

Akhenaten · Nov 26, 2009

Drs_Res said:
Guesses during the first trial:

[table=head]Member|Trial #1
Correct Answers|11 Right
jhunter1163|13 left
Yaffle|12 Right
UncaYimmy|15 Right
lexvonrockets|11 Right
Agatha|11 Left
GeeMack|12 Left
Farencue|16 left
Akhenaten|11 Left
Norm|Right
VfF|14 Left
[/table]

Never mind the results, those little tables are cool! I didn't know we could do that.

*scurries off to tabulate something*

GeeMack · Nov 26, 2009

VisionFromFeeling said:
Oh no, SezMe doesn't like me anymore!

Pretty much nobody likes you anymore. You've treated everyone with disdain and contempt. These good people have gone through a lot of effort to help you, and all you can do is continue to spit on them. Can you think of any reason anyone should like you after you've treated them like that?

What is so wrong with having another test? Listen, if the claim is destined to be falsified, then an additional test will certainly add to that conclusion. Certainly so.

News flash. The claim was falsified a long time before you went to do the IIG Show.

I detected that Dr. Carlson was missing a left kidney, [...]

No, you didn't. You've worn out that particular lie.

[...] and in this Preliminary demonstration I picked the correct person in two out of three trials.

Your claim was that you had magical x-ray vision which you could use to look into people's bodies and see if they had all their kidneys. The test was not a guessing game to pick the people who were missing kidneys. You were not correct in two out of three trials.

I for one find plenty more to investigate. However, it is turning into an investigation of some cold reading skill. What on earth am I picking up, visually, when I look at a person, that translates into a feeling of a kidney? An additional test would screen off much more of the subjects, and I for one would be interested in seeing how that affects the results. Would I do worse, or would I do about the same?

No need to investigate anything. Two things are going on. One, you guessed something close to correct and using confirmation bias and compulsive lying you've jammed it into your delusion to make it fit what you desperately want to believe. And two, you have some kind of psychological problem that prevents you from acknowledging reality the way normal, sane people do. Both of those issues would be best dealt with by a competent mental health professional. Your continuing this guessing game charade isn't going to help you get better.

What you people don't understand, is that this is not about being psychic or not. I am just investigating something.

And what you don't understand is that we already knew that much at least a year ago.

And I knew that trials 1 and 3 were wrong, in advance. Karen, James, and Mark can all verify that, and it is also evident in the tapes from what I say until the sound is cut off during the breaks.

So the proof of your new claim would be on the tapes, but the recording was turned off when you said it. Okay, we'll just take your word for it, the word of a known liar who is clearly detached from reality.

If all it is, is some form of automatic cold reading, it would still be an investigation and I would still be interested. You are all arguing because you seem to think "psychic" or "not psychic", when I am interested in simply finding out more about what ever it is. I don't think it is psychic, but I want to know how it works.

You want to find out what it is? Go see a mental health professional and have a nice long chat. The first part of the conversation you'll enjoy very much. That's where he/she will pretend to indulge your fantasy. It'll feel like the positive attention you so desperately crave. But the latter part of the conversation might not be so pleasant. That'll be where he/she tells you that you've lost your grip on reality, same exact same thing everyone here has been trying to tell you for months.

You don't have to share my enthusiasm. This is not a science forum where we can discuss an investigation on various levels, this is a skeptics forum where we attack paranormal claimants.

Oh, poor little persecuted you. If you cared to apply science, we'd be right there with you. But you actually flaunt your contempt for science, and in doing so you also express your contempt for all the people who have tried very hard to help you. Nobody is attacking you. You are on the attack, continuously, against science, rationality, and the individuals who have invested time and effort into helping you. What you perceive as an attack is just these good people defending science and rationality. Your discomfort with that is your problem.

I will leave the JREF Forums for now.

You keep saying that, but apparently even your threat to leave is just another lie. Do you think anyone here is surprised?

Pup · Nov 26, 2009

Gmonster2 said:
Hey I'm Mcluvin on the stopvff site

I got exactly the same as Anita in the IIg test

Clearly, this is proof that you have the paranormal ability to read Anita's mind whenever she correctly identifies whether a person is missing a kidney!

I propose a test where Anita looks at people's kidneys in one room, and you attempt to write down her choice while you're isolated in another room. That's got to be a million dollar talent for sure.

Drs_Res · Nov 26, 2009

Guesses during the second trial:

By the way, if I have made any mistakes, feel free to correct.

scarlettinlondon · Nov 26, 2009

Hmm with regards to the personals comment, I am an offender.
However, there were no really offensive comments and I see no need to apologise for what I typed. I felt that my presence in the chatroom was honoring AI by at least taking her seriously enough to give up several hours to watch her trials. If she chooses to expose herself publically in this way, then she should expect that bored people waiting in a chatroom for her big moment are likely to amuse themselves any way they can. There were no obscene comments, no sexist comments, there were some comments about her weight and her clothes sense which is the least of what any person who deliberately puts themselves in the public eye could expect. There are MUCH wore things said about Katie Price in national newspapers for example. (A young woman whose only claim to fame are her generous assets)

I see no reason why the skeptical community should be any less likely to succumb to frivolity than any other group of people. In fact I would expect people who are bright and have enquiring minds to be less able to sit and wait without cooking up evil little plots to amuse themselves and others. I would hate to think that we are all sitting around like puddings.

Drs_Res · Nov 26, 2009

Guesses during the third trial:

ETA: These are reasonably acurate, but it is possible that I missed something. If someone wants to check on these results, please feel free to do so.

Akhenaten · Nov 26, 2009

Drs_Res said:
Guesses during the second trial:

[table=head]Member|Trial #2
Correct Answers|24 Left
Agatha|25 Left
desertgal|21 Right
jhunter1163|26 Right
Norm|Left
GeeMack|24 Left
UncaYimmy|22 Left
sdh|22 Left
Yaffle|26 Left
volatile|24 Left
VfF|24 Left
[/table]

By the way, if I have made any mistakes, feel free to correct.

Well, as a matter of fact, your tables are incorrect in that I actually picked three out of three.

I just didn't write it down because my main claim is to being a dead Pharaoh, and I didn't want to be accused of being a looney if I guessed wrong about the kidney thing.

Really, really, really, really.

Also, GeeMack is a poopy head, probably from Aldeberan.

Now go away, I'm not talking to any of you.

Vishnu from Darjeeling™

jhunter1163 · Nov 26, 2009

VisionFromSwilling WORKS! I put down all wrong guesses because I didn't want to embarrass Anita; it was supposed to be her moment in the sun after all.

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to prepare for another trial.

Gmonster2 · Nov 26, 2009

@ Jhunter: Vision from swilling has definately been shown to work but wine is best for locating the missing kidneys.

You'll find that beer is best for detecting breast implants..

but after you me and Akhenaten and the two FACT members Anita has the most amazing sooper powers in the world

Rodney · Nov 26, 2009

UncaYimmy said:
This is for Rodney.

Whoa! I was just looking over the chat. Akhenaten picked 11 left, and that was correct. He also picked 24 left, which was the right person and the wrong side. He scored the same as Anita!

Tsig, Lex and Agatha picked #11 left - right person, wrong side. There were three other guesses, so three out of six picked the same person.

Volatile, Geemack and Akhenaten all picked #24 left - right person, wrong side. There were three other guess, so 3 out of 6 picked the same person.

GeeMack had 36 left - right person, wrong side. Anthem and Agatha's daughter picked 36. Only four other people made guesses, so 3 out of 7 picked the same person.

This is actually kinda interesting. With a .166 chance, 19 guesses and 9 success, there was a 0.1% chance of it being due to chance alone.

Again, what we need to know is what all audience selections were to evaluate the likelihood of clues having being provided.

GeeMack · Nov 26, 2009

Rodney said:
Again, what we need to know is what all audience selections were to evaluate the likelihood of clues having being provided.

And as you've been told, you're never going to get it. Looks like your job here is done.

JoeTheJuggler · Nov 26, 2009

VisionFromFeeling said:
What is so wrong with having another test? Listen, if the claim is destined to be falsified, then an additional test will certainly add to that conclusion. Certainly so.

According to what you said before the test, the claim is falsified. And you further claimed that if you failed this test, you would admit that the claim is falsified and not continue this.

Again, see post number 935 for a few of the times you said that if you failed this test, the claim would be falsified.

If you refuse to admit it's falsified even though, again according to you, this test was the absolutely most favorable test--the one most likely to result in a success that is possible, then there's no way you'll abide by the results of any other future test.

Your failure is not a matter of destiny. It's a matter of a false claim you continue to make in the face of contrary evidence.

jhunter1163 · Nov 26, 2009

Gmonster2 said:
You'll find that beer is best for detecting breast implants.

I'm gonna need some volunteers here to test my sooper dooper breast implant detection powers. Someone? Anyone?

*crickets*

GeeMack · Nov 26, 2009

jhunter1163 said:
I'm gonna need some volunteers here to test my sooper dooper breast implant detection powers. Someone? Anyone?

FeelingFromVision?

JoeTheJuggler · Nov 26, 2009

Rodney said:
Again, what we need to know is what all audience selections were to evaluate the likelihood of clues having being provided.

No we don't.

1. The audience's guesses were not part of this test in any way at all.
2. The audience didn't have the same conditions as the claimant (they were further away, etc.)
3. The claimant might be a better cold reader than everyone in the audience, and the difference in guess results says nothing about the likelihood of clues having been provided.

The VFF Test is On!

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