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They still think they rule the world

al-Megrahi has now passed his three month "life expectancy":

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/20/megrahi-health-lockerbie-bomber

Taken for a ride, indeed.

Indeed, indeed. In October 2008 he was given just weeks to live.

Britain's biggest mass murderer was given the news that he has just weeks to live in his prison cell following a trip to hospital for a series of tests.

How could Scottish medical experts get it so wrong?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ber-weeks-live-diagnosed-advanced-cancer.html
 
Professor Karol Sikora, one of Britain's leading cancer specialists, who said back in July that Megrahi had only three months to live now says that he doesn't know why he's still alive! And:

But Prof Sikora admitted that the Libyans had encouraged him to conclude that Megrahi had just three months to live following his examination.

Two conclusions here:
1. Scots got played big time by Libya.
2. Don't go to Dr. Sikora if you get cancer.
 
I just wonder, why aren't we having the same conversation about Ronnie Biggs?

Rolfe.
 
Do you really think that the two cases are comparable? On the one hand we have someone convicted (no matter what your views are on that conviction) for an absolutely terrible attack on innocent people that resulted in many, many deaths and on the other someone who committed a robbery in the 1960s.
 
I just wonder, why aren't we having the same conversation about Ronnie Biggs?

Rolfe.

Because, EJ hasn't found a way to bend it into telling USANs to stuff it yet.

...and it has nothing to do with the OP?
 
Do you really think that the two cases are comparable? On the one hand we have someone convicted (no matter what your views are on that conviction) for an absolutely terrible attack on innocent people that resulted in many, many deaths and on the other someone who committed a robbery in the 1960s.


I tend to think that compassionate release is compassionate release, and that there's nothing in the legislation that suggests certain classes of offences should rule a prisoner out of consideration. The discussion is about the estimate of remaining lifespan being exceeded, and it's clear that's not exactly without precedent.

And yes, I do feel it's hypocritical to spend six years placing obstacles in the way of someone's appeal coming to court, even to the extent of announcing a six-month adjourment when the appellant is known to be terminally ill, and all that in the face of a report from the SCCRC that indicates the probability of a miscarriage of justice, and then at the last to demand that the frustrated appellant dies in jail, citing "he was convicted" as the reason.

Rolfe.
 
The bottom line here is that under the guidelines of compasionate release Megrahi was not eligible. Whether the Scottish government knew that or was manipulated by the Libyans still to be determined.

Ronnie Biggs was not eligible either. So, if knowing when "3 months to live" is difficult to determine, why have compasionate release at 3 months to live? Why only apply it to some prisioners? How many prisioners are there now in Scottish prisions that have less than three months to live?
 
As to the last point, that will be none that are known about, and have applied for such release.

Of course any of them could have a fatal heart attack in their cell tomorrow, and that happens, but that's not really what we're talking about.

Rolfe.
 
Okay, maybe the guy released wasn't guilty. But that's not the point. EJ's point is that the UK should be able to do whatever it wants - nuke Iran, pee in your pool, touch your no-no spot - and the US should have no say in it.

And he's right, as long as the UK is willing to live with the consequences.
 
Funny how EJ hasn't returned to this thread after making a fool of himself.
 
Meanwhile Megrahi continues to exceed his "three months maximum" life expectancy.

My own father died of prostate cancer in 2006 after exceeding his "life expectancy" by a factor of at least two - 8 months vs. the predicted 3-4 months. And he did pretty well until the final 3 weeks when he finally needed residential care.

Nobody can calculate these things at all accurately, so sounding off about the passage of days on a calendar towards a man's death is worse than futile, it's gross.

I can't sit here and tell anybody that Megrahi is innocent of any involvement in the Lockerbie bombing. I can tell you, having studied the evidence, that the legal case made against him would be considered woefully inadequate to secure a conviction for illegal parking.

If anyone's interested, a quick scan of the Lockerbie threads on the CT forum might raise a few eyebrows. Or a £5 download of the Paul Foot study from Private Eye magazine would also be a good place to start. If pushed I've no doubt that posters Rolfe and Caustic Logic et al could be persuaded to put together an analysis of the main evidence ;) I'd even do it myself, but they are much better writers.
 
Okay, maybe the guy released wasn't guilty. But that's not the point. EJ's point is that the UK should be able to do whatever it wants

Which would make him look just as silly as Chuck Schumer since it was the Scots that let him go.
 
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A citizen of the United States of America.

Apparently, to some, saying "American" is insulting to Canadians, Mexicans, and other people who live in North or South America. We don't have a right to co-opt the name just for our own nation. Or something.
 
My own father died of prostate cancer in 2006 after exceeding his "life expectancy" by a factor of at least two - 8 months vs. the predicted 3-4 months. And he did pretty well until the final 3 weeks when he finally needed residential care.

Nobody can calculate these things at all accurately, so sounding off about the passage of days on a calendar towards a man's death is worse than futile, it's gross.


My cousin's husband died of the same thing some years ago. He went more quickly than the (tentative) predictions, and before he died he looked remarkably like Megrahi coming off that plane. It's all just half-educated guesswork, and everybody knows this. In a less high-profile case nobody would be batting an eyelid. They're not even batting an eyelid about Biggs, although he was high-profile enough in all conscience.

There have been a couple of newspaper articles in the Scotsman (which hates the SNP like poison) about how embarrassing it is for Kenny MacAskill that Megrahi hasn't had the decency to die yet. The comments on these articles unanimously slammed them as ghouls. One poster asked if there was a word for journalism that had yet to aspire to the dizzy heights of the gutter.

I can't sit here and tell anybody that Megrahi is innocent of any involvement in the Lockerbie bombing. I can tell you, having studied the evidence, that the legal case made against him would be considered woefully inadequate to secure a conviction for illegal parking.


Who can say for sure who was or wasn't involved in that bombing? There have been a number of posters who have declared, well, maybe the evidence against him sucks, but how do we know he didn't do it anyway? Longtabber claimed to have inside knowledge that the authorities had basically fitted up the right guy - just before he vanished for good after Joey Donuts exposed him as a fraudulent poser on another thread.

Maybe Megrahi was involved in some way. Hell, maybe I was involved in some way! Once you leave the evidence behind, anything's possible.

However, if the evidence suggests that he neither bought those clothes from Tony Gauci nor smuggled an unaccompanied suitcase aboard KM180 at Luqa, which frankly is what it does suggest, all you're left with is, he's Libyan, and was an intelligence officer, and we sort of think Libya might at least have supplied some of the munitions that went into that bomb.

Not much of a connection to hang a prosecution on.

If anyone's interested, a quick scan of the Lockerbie threads on the CT forum might raise a few eyebrows. Or a £5 download of the Paul Foot study from Private Eye magazine would also be a good place to start. If pushed I've no doubt that posters Rolfe and Caustic Logic et al could be persuaded to put together an analysis of the main evidence ;) I'd even do it myself, but they are much better writers.


I don't feel I know enough about the detail yet to put anything substantial together. Something this convoluted takes a group of people reading the evidence and bouncing ideas off each other. We have a few but more would be nice. I'm still astonished by the total lack of interest by most CT forum posters in this incident, which despite its smaller death toll is approaching 9/11 in complexity and significance.

What does annoy me is the number of people prepared to verbally put the boot in, demanding that the man should have been forced to die in jail in a foreign country, and responding to every protest that the conviction might have been unsafe with the retort that in that case he should have appealled and since he hadn't appealled successfully he can be assumed to be guilty.

He applied for permission to appeal in 2003.
The SCCRC spent four years reviewing the evidence.
In 2007 they published a report saying that they had identified six points on which there might have been a miscarriage of justice, and allowed the appeal.

For almost two years the authorities put every obstacle they could in the way of the appeal getting to court, including repeated refusal to disclose documentary evidence the court had ruled should be disclosed. In 2008 the appellant was diagnosed as being terminally ill.

In 2009 the appeal finally started, only to be adjourned a few weeks later because one of the judges was unwell. Rather than appoint a substitute, they shut up shop, with the projected date to resume being this month - that is, about the point the appellant was expected to die.

Meanwhile, Megrahi was "persuaded" that his chances of being allowed to return to Libya would be enhanced if he abandoned the appeal, which, unsurprisingly, he did. Which was a great disappointment to some of the families of the Lockerbie victims, who had intended to continue the appeal after Megrahi's death (as was their right if it was still ongoing) in the hope of finding out what actually happened.

Yes, I do find it hypocritical to bay for the man's blood under the circumstances, relying on the fact of a verdict which was nothing short of perverse, and deliberately ignoring not just the evidence, but the shameful obstruction of the appeal process.

Rolfe.
 
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