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FDR Pearl Harbor Conspiracy

Galileo

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FDR Pearl Harbor Conspiracy

film investigates theorys on pearl harbor and possible conspiracy(s) there has been much debate as to how and why the United States had been caught unaware, and how much and when American officials knew of Japanese plans and related topics. Some argue that various parties knew of the attack in advance and may even have let it happen or encouraged it in order to force America into war. film includes issues of The Pearl Harbor advance-knowledge debate and others. tags keywords include conspiracy theorys, FDR, ww2, World War two, prior knowlege, 911, september 11, december 7th 1941, history channel

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...Sci7MJXc-QGmuZGxAQ&q=pearl+harbor+lihop&hl=en

OK, this is from the history channel. They would not show it on the history channel, if it weren't true.
 
Galileo said:
OK, this is from the history channel. They would not show it on the history channel, if it weren't true.
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Nice try at an appeal to authority fallacy.

The History Channel has been catering woo for some time. They know the sad truth - wild unfounded CT woo gets ratings, history doesn't.
 
Galileo said:
OK, this is from the history channel. They would not show it on the history channel, if it weren't true.
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history channel also airs monsterquest and ufo hunters

although i enjoy both those shows, it doesnt make them true either
 
LightinDarkness said:
Nice try at an appeal to authority fallacy.

The History Channel has been catering woo for some time. They know the sad truth - wild unfounded CT woo gets ratings, history doesn't.
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wrong, most people prefer real history, rather than false conspiracy theroies.
 
defaultdotxbe said:
history channel also airs monsterquest and ufo hunters

although i enjoy both those shows, it doesnt make them true either
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Do you think it was a conspiracy when FDR threw all the "japs" into concentration camps?

How many were involved in this conspiracy?

Isn't the government too inefficient to pull off something this vast?

Wouldn't someone have talked?
 
Galileo said:
wrong, most people prefer real history, rather than false conspiracy theroies.
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Indeed, which is why most people prefer real history and not the woo catered by the history channel. Thats why they have to cater to people like you to get their ratings up.
 
False conspiracy theories is kind of redundant.

Anyway, the History Channel is not exactly an authoritative source of information. In fact, the extent of their history goes to JFK, Hitler and UFOs.

But since you apparently think that the HC is authoritative, perhaps you can tell us what you thought of "The Kennedy Assassination: Beyond Conspiracy."
 
Galileo said:
Do you think it was a conspiracy when FDR threw all the "japs" into concentration camps?

How many were involved in this conspiracy?

Isn't the government too inefficient to pull off something this vast?

Wouldn't someone have talked?
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Internment camps were pretty well out in the open, so I don't see how those were part of a conspiracy. The government doesn't need much help to pull that off.

Next.
 
Galileo said:
film investigates theorys...
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Improper spelling aside, "investigating theories" is not the same thing as "exposing falsehoods" at all.
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OK, this is from the history channel. They would not show it on the history channel, if it weren't true.
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OK, now I know you're pulling our leg. After all, they're the evil NWO front who broadcast this diabolical hit piece.
 
OK, this is from the history channel. They would not show it on the history channel, if it weren't true.
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Never saw some of the History CHannel's shows on Nostradumbass..excuse em, Nostradamus...have you?
 
Galileo said:
OK, this is from the history channel. They would not show it on the history channel, if it weren't true.
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[Porky Pig mode] ableeba ableeba ableeba...[/Porky Pig mode]

Seriously, I'm truly at a loss here. Would some kind soul please create a laughing dog + facepalm smiley so that I can do this wonderful contention justice?
 
Galileo said:

OK, this is from the history channel. They would not show it on the history channel, if it weren't true.
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That one line gets you more comments... it's a channel about historical subjects, more for ratings than careful historicism. The history in question, since it's from their conspiracy theories program, is the PH CTs. And it is indeed true that these exist, as they have about other events through history. The show will not seek to clear anything up.

It's new to me, and maybe some interesting stuff. The first face we see is Robert Stinnett, who has been show bogus on almost all fronts. Not good for 12/7 Truth either way. I'll watch the whole thing later, but it asks at the beginning "Did President Roosevelt know in advance?" From my investigation, the answer seems to be no. But if he did know, IMO, he would have tried to forget and still allow the attack. So maybe he did. No evidence tho.
 
Caustic Logic said:
That one line gets you more comments... it's a channel about historical subjects, more for ratings than careful historicism. The history in question, since it's from their conspiracy theories program, is the PH CTs. And it is indeed true that these exist, as they have about other events through history. The show will not seek to clear anything up.

It's new to me, and maybe some interesting stuff. The first face we see is Robert Stinnett, who has been show bogus on almost all fronts. Not good for 12/7 Truth either way. I'll watch the whole thing later, but it asks at the beginning "Did President Roosevelt know in advance?" From my investigation the answer seems to be no. But if he did know, IMO, he would have tried to forget and still allow the attack. So maybe he did. No evidence tho.
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Imagine two scenarios:

"Dear America, we got caught with our pants down."

"Dear America, the Japanese were tracked to the point where they launched their planes. The planes were met with the full strength of the Army and Navy who had guns manned and ready and fully supplied with ammo. The Japanese carriers were attacked by two of our carriers, in concert with twenty-two of our submarines. No shots were fired at the Japanese until they entered Hawaiian air space in a clear unannounced attack on the US."

Which one would be the choice for someone who knows the attack is coming?
 
All you have to do is consider the options. If FDR wanted to get us into the war, would there be some other way to do that besides intentionally sacrificing the fleet at PH?

Well, yeah.
 
Piggy said:
All you have to do is consider the options. If FDR wanted to get us into the war, would there be some other way to do that besides intentionally sacrificing the fleet at PH?

Well, yeah.
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Sure, but would they have worked in such style?

Ohnoes, I didn't think of that argument - lose ships bad! :D

BTW: By sheer number, the fleet was cut fully in half between its fateful relocation to Hawaii and the attack. The most valuable half (newer, faster) was sloughed off in phases, the carriers and many escorts spared last, saved by *inexact scheduling* and only a few obsolete battleships were truly lost, plus some personnel, innocence, and any reasonable opposition to wholehearted war, not Gulf of Tonkin technicality police action war.

But hey, horse, water, etc...
 
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