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Hardfire: Szamboti / Chandler / Mackey

bill smith said:
We can assume that RM knows that the antenna begins to fall into the building prior to the collapse onset. Before the top block begins to move downwards as a whole in other words.

This would likely mean that the the entire hat truss (which spanned three floors) and which supported the 360-foot antenna had to be also moving downwards. The fact that the perimeter walls (to which the hat truss was also attached) are pulled inwards lends credence to this notion.

Can I suggest that somebody against whom RM has not raised his shields asks him to clarify whether he is aware of the early-falling antenna ? And if so why he has not thought it worth mentioning ?
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You still haven't shown that it happened. Remember, I (we all) know about video perspective.
 
DGM said:
You still haven't shown that it happened. Remember, I (we all) know about video perspective.
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This will be virtually the best possible perspective to see the antenna clearly fall first. Remember that the three-floor hat truss was supported by some of the core columns. So what went first ?

So we will know more when RM clears this up by telling us why he thinks this is not worthy of even a mention.
 
Thank you very much for the reply Ryan. Is this something Tony addressed or fixed in his revised papers? I noticed you made mention that he had 6 revisions of his "Missing Jolt Paper".

Thanks all. Good to be here.
 
bill smith said:
This will be virtually the best possible perspective to see the antenna clearly fall first. Remember that the three-floor hat truss was supported by some of the core columns. So what went first ?

So we will know more when RM clears this up by telling us why he thinks this is not worthy of even a mention.
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Bill, your pathetic. Put up or shut up.
 
DGM said:
Ask him what? If you have a video from a perspective that doesn't show the tilt? Your pathetic!
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Ask him whether what I said is true or not with the extrme significance it contains. I want to know why he was keeping it secret. I will keep the video to use as appropriate. That does not change the fact hat I am telling the Truth. Check online..
 
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bill smith said:
Ask him whether what I said is true or not with the extrme significance it contains. I want to know why he was keeping it secret. I will keep the video to use as appropriate. That does not change the fact hat I am telling the Truth. Check online..
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Bill: I'm going to say this nice. I have nothing to ask him because I know what your video contains. Stop trying to sound like your holding the "holy grail" because I (and everyone else) know your full of ****.
 
Ryan, ignore that last question. I just realized it was Szamboti who raised the question so he obviously has not changed this in his papers.
 
DGM said:
Bill: I'm going to say this nice. I have nothing to ask him because I know what your video contains. Stop trying to sound like your holding the "holy grail" because I (and everyone else) know your full of ****.
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What a sweetie you are. lol. Well I urge any truly interested observers to watch carefully and see if my few simple questions get answered at all. Think about how important it would be if the 360-foot antenna began to fall into the building considerably before the top block began to move downwards as a whole ? It changes the entire dynamic. And yet RM does not think it worth even mentioning. That is not credible.
 
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bill smith said:
What a sweetie you are. lol. Well I urge any truly interested observers to watch carefully and see if my few simple questions get answered at all. Think about how important it would be if the 360-foot antenna began to fall into the building considerably before the top block began to move downwards as a whole ? It changes the entire dynamic. And yet RM does not think it worth even mentioning. That is not credible.
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Bill:
I agree it would be big news, if it actually happened. You need to separate fiction from reality.
 
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bill smith said:
Think about how important it would be if the 360-foot antenna began to fall into the building considerably before the top block began to move downwards as a whole ? It changes the entire dynamic.
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You do realize that in order for the top block to move downwards "as a whole", there has to be column failure on all four sides of the building. This did not happen simultaneously, as was also the case in WTC2. The tilt occurred from the very fact that the South Face failed first, and that tilt caused the antenna mast to tilt. The North Face on the opposite side was the last to undergo collapse, first on the 94th and 95th floors at the impact site and then near the northwest corner to the right of the impact hole. Only then did the upper block fall vertically "as a whole". That the antenna should undergo movement prior to anything on the North Face is *expected*, as it was the North Face that was the hinge for what would become the upper block.

bill smith said:
This will be virtually the best possible perspective to see the antenna clearly fall first.
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It was also the absolutely worst perspective to see the lean.
 
Mangoose said:
You do realize that in order for the top block to move downwards "as a whole", there has to be column failure on all four sides of the building. This did not happen simultaneously, as was also the case in WTC2. The tilt occurred from the very fact that the South Face failed first, and that tilt caused the antenna mast to tilt. The North Face on the opposite side was the last to undergo collapse, first on the 94th and 95th floors at the impact site and then near the northwest corner to the right of the impact hole. Only then did the upper block fall vertically "as a whole". That the antenna should undergo movement prior to anything on the North Face is *expected*, as it was the North Face that was the hinge for what would become the upper block.




It was also the absolutely worst perspective to see the lean.
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We are not really interested in the tilt until RM clears up why he did not discuss or even mention the fact that the 30-story antenna began to fall into the building considerably before there was any other movement. This clearly has enormous ramifications for the collapse dynamic and we need to know why he neglected to mention it.

I take it that you agree that the antenna began to fall into the building first as I described ?

Are you watching DGM ? This could be the big news you mentioned above.
 
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bill smith said:
We are not really interested in the tilt until RM clears up why he did not discuss or even mention the fact that the 30-story antenna began to fall into the building considerably before there was any other movement. This clearly has enormous ramifications for the collapse dynamic and we need to know why he neglected to mention it.

I take it that you agree that the antenna began to fall into the building first as I described ?

Are you watching DGM ? This could be the big news you mentioned above.
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Bill:
You don't even understand when someone shows you that your full of ****. Your pathetic. You only see what you want to see.
 
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