Pedro De Mello
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A 15 year old girl killed a nine year old girl to see what it was like.
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At first I thought you were wrong, but looked it up and found these are fairly recent decisions. pity poor Sean Sellers didn't have better lawyers.
Cainkane1
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Is putting this girl in prison revenge or is it justice? I feel that the punishment should fit the crime. While I applaud your humane ideas and I'm sure I'd love Norway I fell that your justice system is way too lenient to properly dispense justice for a crime this heineous.
In an earlier post I pointed out that the girls rehabilitation is as much up to her as it is to society.
There was a similar case. A young man named Charles Starkweather had a girlfriend with him while he was on a murder spree. She was convicted of abetting him on his rape, robbery and murder rampage. She eventually got her diploma, became a nurse and eventually was freed even though she had initially been sentenced to life.
Like I said if this girl finishes high school and gets a trade and at least with a semblance of sincerity and remorse for what she has done then maybe, just maybe after many many years of incarceration she could possibly be released. its up to her.
If she does like that punk in one of my other posts that is get a tattoo of Satan put on his neck and causes trouble in prison then its prison where she will stay.
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BenBurch
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Neither justice nor revenge; crime prevention.
Is that legal in Norway?
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In the mugshots she almost reminded me of Jodie Foster around the same age (more so in Freaky Friday than Taxi Driver).
Articles say she cut herself, a behaviour I've seen often but never related to. There had to be a few very uncomfortable things going on in her life. I don't believe she killed only to "know what it felt like" or to see if maybe she'd get away with it (which would have been doubtful, even to her, as she'd appartently told kids at school as much). I think she has a very warped view of attention and that her wanting attention played some part in this, more so perhaps than morbid curiositry gone AWOL.
Articles say she cut herself, a behaviour I've seen often but never related to. There had to be a few very uncomfortable things going on in her life. I don't believe she killed only to "know what it felt like" or to see if maybe she'd get away with it (which would have been doubtful, even to her, as she'd appartently told kids at school as much). I think she has a very warped view of attention and that her wanting attention played some part in this, more so perhaps than morbid curiositry gone AWOL.
Suddenly
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I handled a case exactly like this once, there was a plea deal to give the murderer a life sentence with parole eligibility after 15 years. Based on his conduct to date, his release is highly, highly doubtful.
Some people can be fixed. There are some people in prison doing life whom I would have no trouble having as a neighbor. Some give me nightmares. You just don't know in advance who is who or who they are going to be after twenty years in prison.
A life sentence with parole eligibility is still a life sentence. Rarely is the person released anything at all the person sentenced.... assuming the parole board is doing its job. I'm strongly opposed to the life without parole sentence, if only that releasing an old man as horrified as anyone else about the actions of the young man he used to be isn't a bad idea.
Some people can be fixed. There are some people in prison doing life whom I would have no trouble having as a neighbor. Some give me nightmares. You just don't know in advance who is who or who they are going to be after twenty years in prison.
A life sentence with parole eligibility is still a life sentence. Rarely is the person released anything at all the person sentenced.... assuming the parole board is doing its job. I'm strongly opposed to the life without parole sentence, if only that releasing an old man as horrified as anyone else about the actions of the young man he used to be isn't a bad idea.
That is the part that I find the most compelling - I did some absolutely stupid things when I was younger, I was about to add "but not criminal" but actually I just realised that some of them were (like having sex under the age of 21 which could have earned me a jail sentence), however what I am talking about is more general stupid stuff.
Today I look back in amazement at the person that was so stupid, now of course I have to live with the consequences of those actions but I am not today the person I was 25 years ago and I would bet that most people if they gave it some thought would probably view their youthful version in much the same way.
Now of course we are not talking about "stupid stuff" that didn't hurt anyone else but I can't see why in principle we can't look at each individual case and do our best (always erring on the side of caution) in 25 years time to see if the middle aged woman is still the (teenage) killer she was.
I agree thtarehabilitation, for some crimnes at least, is very desirable. But claiming that criminals will give up without a fight because they are not worried about Norway's short jail terms is surely equivalent to saying that people may commit murder more often because they are worried about the short incarceration meted out by Norwegian courts.
Are you kidding? It wouldn't be surprising if Norwegians committed murder just to get a vacation. Norwegians would probably commit the murder inside the cop house so they could skip the step of having to waist time being caught.
"The first time I went to prison, it was to an idyllic place with lush woodland, bright-colored houses and the waters of the Oslo fjord sparkling in the summer sun."
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/europe/091017/norway-open-prison
Cainkane1
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I agree. In the case of the boy I helped put away he blew it in prison. He did some things while locked up that cause the parole boards to ignore him.
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Something should be done.
I have heard that in Canada and Japan this sort of thing almost never happens. Yet, almost every year you hear stories in the USA of terrible crimes carried out by kids.
I know that in Japan there is a movement to bring back ethics as a subject in the class room after some anti-social acts by some young people. Maybe the USA should teach ethics and some sort of morality in school.
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I am glad I am not the only one.
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Wait, what?
Cainkane1
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You mean under 18 don't you?
Can't - in public schools - all it would take to kill it is complaints from 2 or 3 parents that their kid was told (with no reference to the kid or the parents) that something they did was not ethical/moral. And/ of course, which moral system do you use?
From what I read about Alyssa Bustamante, she either has borderline personality disorder (the cutting thing) or is indeed a sociopath (sociopaths also crave stimulation and deliberately shocking one's self or cutting could qualify as seeking stimulation). If she's a sociopath, she cannot be rehabilitated. Sociopaths are notoriously difficult to rehabilitate, and possess no desire to be rehabilitated.
Her mentality seems quite consistent with that of some serial killers. Whether she enjoyed carrying out the murder, I don't know, but if she did, she basically had the mentality of a serial killer. Fortunately she did not manage to kill three people
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Her mentality seems quite consistent with that of some serial killers. Whether she enjoyed carrying out the murder, I don't know, but if she did, she basically had the mentality of a serial killer. Fortunately she did not manage to kill three people
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LibraryLady
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Nathan Leopold, of Leopold and Loeb fame, wrote a memoir that I read some time ago. He claimed that he was no longer what he was when they killed Bobby Franks. He said it took about ten years for him to really realize the ramifications of what he had done and how evil it was.
No, although frankly who cares? Push the POS off a cliff and continue helping Darwin out. Good grief.
Is anyone else absolutely sick to death of this rights of the criminal gone amok BS?
Please. He had a genius I.Q. at the time of the murder. He also never waivered from his love for his partner in crime, Loeb, long after he came to this ephiphany. Just like everything else about Leopold, this is also for the birds. Too bad Leopold didn't reach this ephiphany in the same way Leob did, at the end of a shiv while in prison.